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A couple items that sum it all up for me [Nov. 3rd, 2004|06:38 pm]
Zoethe
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1. A friend was trying to make me feel better earlier. She said, "Well, at least what's coming won't really affect us. We're not gay, we're not poor, we don't need an abortion, and we're too old for the draft."

I said, "That doesn't make me feel better! It's not about what happens to me; it's about the rights of others!"

And I realized that that encapsulated the difference between a Liberal point of view and a Conservative one.

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2. I have friends who voted for Bush whom I respect. Who, truly voting their conscience, made a decision, and are sympathetic to the distress that Kerry voters are feeling, even if they don't truly understand us any better than we understand them.

But I, and others, have also run into plenty of this. And it doesn't reflect well on Bush voters.

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3. I am in awe of the writer of this essay. Totally wowed. And I think I understand better what we are facing in the effort to recapture the American sensibility. Take the time to read it.
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From: haroeris_astrum
2004-11-03 11:57 pm (UTC)
The election is over. It doesn't change your cause or beliefs - Eternal Revolution... Ok, now for a real agenda: http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=acrobaticchrist
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2004-11-04 12:20 am (UTC)
I don't understand why you voted for Bush, but I respect that the Kerry message didn't reach you.

It's our responsibility to change that.
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[User Picture]From: just_carrie
2004-11-04 12:08 am (UTC)
I had a similar thing happen to me today. Who the hell are these people who presume to know what god wants? That sort of religious presumption appalls me and is one of the many reasons why I am not a christian.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2004-11-04 12:29 am (UTC)
I am a grammar stickler, for the most part. "That" bugs the hell out of me, too.

And, yeah. I remember this quote often.
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[User Picture]From: elf_inside
2004-11-04 12:38 am (UTC)
Point 1 is very accurate. I have a friend whose whole reason for voting for Bush is that she believes you should NEVER change presidents Mid-War. Ever. No matter what.

And then she tried to make light of the election. She said "It's not like who is in Washington makes any difference in MY life."
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[User Picture]From: cosmicbandit
2004-11-04 12:43 am (UTC)
Thank you for a thoughtful post and the excellent link.
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[User Picture]From: kimmaline
2004-11-04 01:03 am (UTC)
I said, "That doesn't make me feel better! It's not about what happens to me; it's about the rights of others!"

Evidently, we were on the same page today.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2004-11-04 05:42 am (UTC)
We were indeed.
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[User Picture]From: greybeta
2004-11-04 02:20 am (UTC)
There is something fundamentally wrong with the social values of our current America.
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[User Picture]From: shezan
2004-11-04 02:22 am (UTC)
You know, my almost entire flist is full of Bush-hatred and insults (when it's not people asking for Canadians and assorted Eurps to marry them, quick, so that they can get a new passport and leave the US.) I'm not saying your commentator here was especially tactful or sensible, but believe me, my experience is that the contempt is heaped higher from the other side, it really is.

That being said, my favoured candidates have lost lots of elections in my life, and I respect the way you feel, if only because I remember it only too well. Actually, I felt like you do now all day yesterday, because I'd heard from my friends in DC that the exit polls favoured Kerry, and the whole Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy was Doom 'n Gloom on Tuesday, believe it or not. (And the Kerry people had the opposite experience; the past two days they were convinced that they were winning.) Because of the time difference, I have slept very little in the past 48 hours; & early this morning I was half-awake & thinking "Oh G-d, Biden will be at State & Holbrooke as Special Envoy & Berger as NS Adviser, and the unspeakable Sydney Blumenthal will be in charge of White House Communications..." & discovering that my subconscious is actually a lot more structured than my conscious brain & was already staffing the Kerry White House. Then I turned on the news and the landscape had changed, of course: but at least it had clarified for me why I was against this candidate.

I do think you've contructed a Godzilla monster in place of the real Bush, & I hope he proves this view of him wrong in the next four years.
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[User Picture]From: rev_tobias
2004-11-04 02:48 am (UTC)
I do think you've contructed a Godzilla monster in place of the real Bush, & I hope he proves this view of him wrong in the next four years.

And wouldn't it be nice if you were right? I'm serious.

Unfortunately, Bush's track record so far makes this highly unlikely...
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From: (Anonymous)
2004-11-04 04:51 am (UTC)
I haven't gloated, even once.

Obviously I'm happy with the results, but most people who supported either side voted what they thought was best.

It is one of the sacrifices we make to live in the USA. 8 years of Clinton were like forcing burning coals onto me everyday, but that was nothing compared the joy of living in a free country.

All the hysteria aside, that hasn't changed today.

Michael
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2004-11-04 05:37 am (UTC)
Thank you for the reminder that we will survive.
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[User Picture]From: tormentedartist
2004-11-04 05:00 am (UTC)
I don't know if I agree with the writer of said essay . I for one haven't seen any of these "SUV conservatives". That is not to say that they don't exist. And if they do exist they are really stupid. After all who is allowing these companies to outsource their jobs in the first place ? Who is robbing this country blind ?

I know people who voted for Bush because they thought that right now we are in a mess and it would be too hard to shift gears. To which I say who got us here in the first place ? So I'm sure he got votes from people who otherwise might have voted differently. I'm sure Bush is going do has the worst president in history. And when he dies I really hope we aren't stupid enough to celebrate his life like people did with Reagan....

You know I saw a book in Barnes & Nobles today that was named the 5 most evil men in history, guess which vice president belongs on the cover ? God I can't believe so many Americans are so stupid .
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2004-11-04 05:40 am (UTC)
You haven't seen them? I see them every day. The people who say, well I really don't agree with Bush on abortion or marriage rights or invading Iraq, but Kerry might raise my taxes. In other words, screw the country, I wanna vacation in Cancun.

It's selfish and short-sighted.
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[User Picture]From: dandelion_diva
2004-11-04 10:12 am (UTC)
I'm sorry that person spewed such ugliness in your journal. Ugh.

Gessi
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[User Picture]From: muted_seraph
2004-11-04 03:13 pm (UTC)
Oh man I LOVE your icon. It's exactly what my rants lately have focused on.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2004-11-04 03:11 pm (UTC)
I used capital letters for that very reason. I didn't mean to imply that no one on the other side of the fence from me could have a generous spirit, only that the Big Picture trend looks that way.
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[User Picture]From: dawntreader90
2004-11-04 03:13 pm (UTC)
oh your first point, "well at least it doesn't affect US!" that's sad, but true...

a friend pointed me to this entry which i thought summed it all up rather poignantly.

the gist of it is in this excerpt:
I've had it all wrong. It's not that Americans don't understand. They understand. THAT'S JUST WHAT THEY WANT! The American people have become vicious and vindictive, unthinking, selfish and cowardly. I mean every word of that and I'll back it up.

that's what happened. it's not that people didn't understand who they were voting for, they WANTED to vote Bush in office. as a nation we are self-righteous, arrogant, bullying bastards, so why wouldn't we want someone who could best represent that?

we don't want to WORK with the rest of the world, we want to BOSS the rest of the world. why would we have voted someone who might have tried working with other countries?

so very sad. and yet we still wonder, "WHY oh WHY do they HATE us so much!?"

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[User Picture]From: muted_seraph
2004-11-04 03:20 pm (UTC)
In Logic we were talking about the philosophical differences between republicans and democrats. Reps tend to feel like insiders, thus are more willing to believe that what they want and need is what everyone wants and needs. Dems feel more like outsiders. The Reps tend to suffer from moral superiority while the Dems suffer from intellectual superiority. My Logic professor also added that Dems are more willing to believe that they are their brother's keeper. Reps think that if you're rich you deserve to keep your money because you earned it. Dems think that rich people should be taxed because they have more to give to others, and how much money do you really need anyways?

I'm not pleased with the Democrats, but I'm scared to death of the Republicans in their current incarnation. We're going to have to do some major reconstruction of the party if we stand a chance in the next couple years.

Here's hoping the justices will hold on for four more years.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2004-11-04 04:08 pm (UTC)
We're going to have to do some major reconstruction of the party if we stand a chance in the next couple years.

Funny. I'm writing a journal entry about this right now.
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