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Headlines that disappoint [Feb. 4th, 2005|01:02 pm]
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On Yahoo today:

Bush pitches Social Security changes

My first thought: "You mean he's seen the light and thrown the stupid idea out?! Excellent!"

Alas, no.
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[User Picture]From: bitteroptimist
2005-02-04 10:08 am (UTC)
Disappointing indeed.


Why don't people know any better? How can anyone support him in this??
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From: adigitalpimp
2005-02-04 10:17 am (UTC)
"Why don't people know any better? How can anyone support him in this??"

I kind of resent arguments like that. I agree with you, and I don't like Bush's plan. But its arguments and rhetoric like that that makes politics so bloody. Stuff like that makes me not vote, not take place in debates, not share my political opinion with people, at least not in general.

"You obviously don't understand the issues!" I've been on both sides of that argument, and it looks kind of ugly from both sides, and you won't convince anyone with it.

And...I'm out.
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[User Picture]From: bitteroptimist
2005-02-04 10:25 am (UTC)
I haven't been on both sides of the argument, so right now I can't even SEE the other side of the argument. I would seriously like to know how/why people support his plan.
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[User Picture]From: quillismightier
2005-02-04 12:39 pm (UTC)
I can see the other side because I have family on the other side. Bush and his policies, right now, appear to benefit these people who are petrified of change. Change is scary to a great many folks out there, so they'll support the one who doesn't change things. It's also the 'me me me' temperment that my father, for example has. Certain polices are great for him, but he doesn't care what that might lead to in the future for his children or my children.

For a large part (and not all) Bush supporters are scared. Scared of change and scared of this 'terrorist threat' that really doesn't exist. Fear controls people very well. He's the Sheepdog in charge of the flock right now.

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[User Picture]From: bitteroptimist
2005-02-04 12:57 pm (UTC)
Well, that makes sense. I guess it's just different people reacting differently to fear and the prospect of change. That doesn't make me feel any better about anything, but I can see the other side now.

(great icons, btw)
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[User Picture]From: quillismightier
2005-02-04 12:58 pm (UTC)
I aim to please.
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[User Picture]From: kenp_v3
2005-02-04 01:14 pm (UTC)
For a large part (and not all) Bush supporters are scared. Scared of change and scared of this 'terrorist threat' that really doesn't exist. Fear controls people very well. He's the Sheepdog in charge of the flock right now.

Actually from what I've been reading, Bush supporters aren't the most frightened group in this country at the moment.
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[User Picture]From: quillismightier
2005-02-04 01:23 pm (UTC)
Read between the lines. Look at why they are supporting him and throw out any defeatist "OMG he's going to destroy the world... I'm moving to Canada" stuff you hear. Bush supporters seem to genuninely feel that we are under severe threat from most Middle Eastern countries. They are afraid of change. Giving homosexuals the right to marry is a large change for this country and that scares them. Changing the health care system so that more folks are elegible for health insurance scares them.

These people have been fooled to believe that all change is bad and that it will destroy the 'integrity' of this country. They are just as scared as we are, but for different reasons.
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[User Picture]From: thanoslug
2005-02-04 02:40 pm (UTC)
Excuse me? Scared of change? I don't think so. Bush is putting forward ideas that are all about making changes to programs that either don't work anymore or were never intended to be permanent but somehow became that way.

How is supporting changing social security a stance that shows fear of change? *boggle*
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[User Picture]From: quillismightier
2005-02-04 02:51 pm (UTC)
Ok, by change I mean civil rights changes. He's talked about changing Social Security but I don't currently see anything in place yet. Remember when the polls came out what was more important to people: who was sleeping with whom, or our economic status.

These changes that Bush and Co plan to make don't really seem to affect the individuals that support him. My father is set, financially until he dies. So social security changes don't bother him at all. It's not just him, this is the political climate I've been monitoring for months now. Absolutely no changes allowed to increase or strenthen the freedoms we have, but lets let them run rampant with our children for war and our economy.

We are a reality television based country. We care more about who is shagging who and whether or not they are of the same sex (and being humans and American's) goddess forbid they have any rights. However, even though the job market is dead and the economy sucks, people keep following him because of his 'moral values.'

It has zilch to do with that and I really think those of us with a more liberal mindset need to stop taking kicks in the groin. Put on a damn cup and put up a fight.
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[User Picture]From: quillismightier
2005-02-04 12:36 pm (UTC)
To me that sounds defeatist and not helping your cause at all. Not that blaming those who support Bush helps either and I'm sick and tired of seeing that.

I have this one wish that people would quit whining that things don't go there way and start standing up for their beliefs and their rights.
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[User Picture]From: lou_zer
2005-02-06 05:14 pm (UTC)
I just want to say that I love that icon.
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[User Picture]From: adjust_56
2005-02-04 10:17 am (UTC)
I am amazed at how tis man can sell.... in ruined Texas... yet he still has the ability to say things that don't work and people still follow him... i don't get it!!
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[User Picture]From: dubheach
2005-02-04 01:18 pm (UTC)
Actually my office is very strongly supportive of his idea for social security and is blaming the Democrats for not wanting to change.
The other idea running around our office is that social security is the ONLY thing that the Democrats have to keep themselves separate from the Republicans at this point in order to justify their existence at all to the American Public.

I tried to tell them the economics of the change didn't make sense, and they said mutual funds always did well and I was obviously a Democrat.

I am. So I just let them vent. It's a free country after all ::grin::
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[User Picture]From: apostate_96
2005-02-04 01:35 pm (UTC)
Dare to dream...
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