Hey, I'm with you there! :D
But is it real, or tongue-in-cheek? (It's kind of hard to tell, in print.) It sure would be nice if our country was overcome by reasonableness...
2005-04-09 11:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Love it!
It's kind of hard to tell with UU's at all. While my vote would be total joke, I was with the church long enough to know it could be white hot sincerity as well.
I mean, I thought they were kidding when they posted a 'this church is a nuke free zone' sign but they totally weren't. (So if you're about to drop a nuke but don't want to violate any local proclamations, I'd avoid that sight)
Not only do they have a good message, but they have just about the coolest names EVER.
-Callisto, AKA Sister Shuriken Of Sensibility
Will the revolution be televised?
Sister Patricia of the Chocolate Servers
I hope so... I want to see Film at 11 :D
2005-04-10 01:59 am (UTC)
CAN I GET A...
AMEN Brother?!?!? With no disrespect to our sisters, or anyone who may find the word amen offensive.
BTW... I'm totally in.
2005-04-10 03:16 am (UTC)
Re: CAN I GET A...
I think "AMEN Sibling" is perhaps a good gender-inclusive option. *offers a cookie*
2005-04-10 02:19 am (UTC)
Oh, boy. I really needed that to boost my spirits. "There is only God unless there is more than one god." LOVE it. I have also added you. Hope that's alright with you :)
There is also a unitarian_jihad
community now. 70 members and counting. Of course, ad-hoc working groups are being formed to analyze the pros and cons of forming committees, so it's still in the organizing stages. But there's tea and cookies! (And at least several members who seem quite serious about creating pockets moderation and reasonableness in their actual daily lives. So very, very cool.)
I've joined. I would love to see it genuinely take off.
2005-04-10 04:26 am (UTC)
Sister Atom Bomb of Warm Humanitarianism
I just realized that not only are you theferrett
's Ginni but you are a member of 100pluswl
. Mind if I freind you?
2005-04-10 02:45 pm (UTC)
Re: Sister Atom Bomb of Warm Humanitarianism
Not at all. Do you want to be on my fitness filter?
2005-04-10 05:23 pm (UTC)
A Word from Sister Hand Grenade of Courteous Debate
OK, some attributions here: the manifesto was written by Jon Carroll, and appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle. ( http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/08/DDG27BCFLG1.DTL
) The Jihad Name Generator is by Bill Humphries (aka Whump), an old friend of mine and uber geek (but in a good way).
This has been a message from the Committee for Intellectual Property Rights.
Oh, and I was born and raised Unitarian, so I was all over the floor laughing at this one. It's spot on.
Joke: The local Unitarians tried to drive me out of town... they burned a question mark on my lawn last night.
2005-04-10 06:22 pm (UTC)
Re: A Word from Sister Hand Grenade of Courteous Debate
That is why I included the links, but thank you for making it more clear.
Hilarious!!! Thanks for sharing that one - I needed that (and it will leave me sorting in suppressed laughter during the meeting of my UU church's board of trustees meeting next week)
I wondered what the deal was with the "nuclear free zone" that was part of our church sign until recently. I guess it's a UU "thing".
2005-04-11 07:51 pm (UTC)
And for the first time, I am persuaded that the media is right to seek out the nutballs when doing 'news coverage'.
Because although it may be slightly tongue in cheek, this line of thinking begs for censorship of public dialogue, and discounts the notion that personal faith could or should affect political ideas.
I struggle with what to call this, but it looks like 'radical moderatism'. Everything unacceptable to the 'reasonable' majority must be silenced. In its own little way, this is quite the same as other radical philosophies.
The voice of moderation may just yet be the worst form of mind control after all.
Whether it's half-joking, half-serious, or meant completely as a satire of those who beg for a more reasonable dialogue--really no matter what it is or how I try to take it, I just can't find it funny. Because I know there are people out there who actually agree with it. People who actually try to foist their own own 'reasonableness' onto others.
Because sometimes, many times, being reasonable, coming to a consensus, or even peacefully agreeing to disagree, is really just not good enough. It thwarts the very idea of holding a separate belief at all--the very point of which belief may well be to influence, or in some cases even to destroy, other points of view.
When it comes right down to the wire, no belief or philosopohy can be held in moderation, or to only a reasonable degree, and yet remain true to itself. Beliefs only mean something when they in fact are taken to their logical extreme.
Yes, well, anyway, thank you. For giving me a little more inspiration to think dangerously, and to appreciate the nut jobs with their crazy ideas. And even to appreciate the popular media a bit more, for giving the them air time regardless of the distortions it may produce, or what the 'reasonable majority' of any group thinks. And for giving me a new view of moderation and reasonableness, as merely yet another contending view in the power struggle for hearts and minds, and a deceptively dangerous view at that.
No, let's not be reasonable. Let's be anything but.
I think you are missing the point. The point is not to censor anyone, the point is to make it clear that the fringes are just that, fringe, and that there is an entire middle ground filled with people who have no desire to be represented by either fringe.
The lack of reasoned dialogue is a serious issue in this country. When you look at the reaction to the Terri Schiavo situation - people calling for the impeachment (and in some cases, death) of judges who would not interfere - and the growing intolerance that accompanies the Dominionist movement, that's disturbing. I will defend those people's right to express their opinions, but I have no confidence that they will be willing to defend my right to my beliefs. I have almost as little use for the Brittle Left, that finds insult and oppression beind every word.
But it's sometimes hard to believe that you aren't the only person out there who can see both sides of the issue and find accceptable solutions. And it's nice to be reminded that this isn't the case.