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There's no crying in politics [Jun. 24th, 2005|10:02 am]
Zoethe
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Early in the movie The Empire Strikes Back, Princess Leia snarls at Han Solo, "Someday you're going to be wrong and I hope I'm there to see it."

A few scenes later, as they are hurling through an asteroid field Han says to her, "You said you wanted to be around when I made a mistake; well this could be it, sweetheart," and a frightened Leia replies, "I take it back!"

This is how I'm feeling about the Democratic party post-election.

On the night of the election, Ferrett and I watched, depressed, as the hopes of ridding the country of Bush drained away. Maybe they'll learn from this, we consoled each other. Maybe the Dems will stop being such mealy-mouthed, namby pamby, negative wimps and realize that, with nothing left to lose, it's time to come out swinging.

We were whistling in the dark.

Yesterday, in response to Karl Rove's accusation that the in the wake of 9/11, "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," House Democrats responded by stomping their feet and demanding that Rove apologize or resign. Not surprisingly, the White House response was, essentially, screw you.

Apologize or resign? Are you guys kidding? Do you think you're running to Mommy and tattling? Are you truly this completely declawed?

Stop pretending you're at highschool debate class and recognize that you are in a boxing ring. And not just any fight, the championship fight. Rove took a swing at you. Swing back! Sure, the president prepared for war - against a country that had nothing to do with the attacks. And he prepared poorly, and lied to Congress.

Focus on the arguments, and look strong. Demanding an apology - to which the White House can simply say no - looks like you don't have anything to say. Do you? Anything?

Because you'd better get your feet underneath you and your gloves on if you even want to stay in the ring.
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[User Picture]From: xforge
2005-06-24 02:32 pm (UTC)
OTOH, Dick Durbin correctly said prisoners in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib were being treated the way prisoners of the Khmer Rouge were treated, and whinyass Republicans asked him to apologize, and he did.

I'm not a Democrat anymore. Why? Because I will have nothing to do with a party full of pussies.

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[User Picture]From: lysana
2005-06-24 04:35 pm (UTC)
I think it should be noted that he also received a complaint from the Anti-Defamation League and several top Democrats. It wasn't just the Republicans who convinced him to apologize.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-06-24 04:50 pm (UTC)
Proving my point. The whole party is so damned sensitive to never offending anyone that all statements get lost in a fog of PC-speak.

If that's what you stand for, expect to keep losing.
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[User Picture]From: thewhitedragon
2005-06-24 02:37 pm (UTC)
Sadly, I agree. I think that one of the major mistakes that Kerry made in his bid for the office was not even attempting to address the mud-slinging with any sort of counter-statement until it was way too late. The Democratic Party simply shrugged and let it go on. Howard Dean, instead of addressing the "yelling incident" let it slide and because of it his credibility was tarnished - he should have said something to the effect that I was merely excited and that every coach in American sports would be able to understand that.

The party simply is letting the spin-machine run and not adding anything of their own to it. The media runs with every sound-bite that they can and the party just says "that's not what we meant, but oh... well..."

I like your analogy of the boxing ring: it's exactly the way that Jon Stewart referred to it in an interview with Howard Dean last night. The gloves need to come off and the party needs to stand up instead of allowing itself to be shouted down. They need to state their goals instead of saying "yeah, we have some..."
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2005-06-24 02:41 pm (UTC)
Are their ideas being shouted down, or are they just not offering any? I haven't heard any prominent Democrat speak about their agenda. Do they have one?
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[User Picture]From: thewhitedragon
2005-06-24 02:46 pm (UTC)
Do they have one?

What's the million dollar question, isn't it?
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2005-06-24 02:52 pm (UTC)
Yes, it is. And if they want to win elections in 06 and 08, they need to define their platform now.
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[User Picture]From: thewhitedragon
2005-06-24 05:36 pm (UTC)
I completely agree - they need to open their mouths for once and say what they'd like to do instead of "whatever the republicans are doing, we'll do the opposite" heheh.
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2005-06-24 05:46 pm (UTC)
But they're not even doing that - their platform now is "the Republicans are wrong. That is all. Move along, people, nothing to see here!"

Even though I am a Republican, I want the Dems to start offering alternatives. Debate is a good thing. Bi-partisan efforts are a good thing.
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[User Picture]From: thewhitedragon
2005-06-24 07:36 pm (UTC)
Wow! A Republican who wants debate? I think it's going to snow in Florida tonight. heh. just kidding - I wish more people wanted to hear all sides of the issue and not rely on the media to feed it to them.

I'm a declared non-party, but I do tend to side with the Democrats on most issues; the problem is, even with as much as I follow the issues on every news website known to mankind, they just aren't saying anything about their policies.
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2005-06-24 07:51 pm (UTC)
Shocking, I know. :)

I would probably consider myself fiscally conservative and left of center on social issues. I also think smaller government is a Good Thing.

I don't follow lock-step with the Republican party, and I criticize them on a regular basis. When they do stupid things, I call them on it. As of late, they seem to be giving me a lot of things to call them on ;)

Nothing is more irritating to me than people who spout talking points, regardless of what side of the aisle the person is on. Talking points don't contribute to intelligent debate. And they really don't constructively address any of the problems facing the country.

I have a feeling that, although it wasn't his intention going in to his second term, the hostile environment in DC is going to make Bush a lame duck. Which is a shame, because the issues he was planning to address really need to be tackled sooner rather than later. Proactive actions == good. Reactive reactions == bad.

2008 will be an even more divisive election that 2004 or 2000. Which is a troubling thought.
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[User Picture]From: theferrett
2005-06-24 09:20 pm (UTC)
I don't follow lock-step with the Republican party, and I criticize them on a regular basis. When they do stupid things, I call them on it. As of late, they seem to be giving me a lot of things to call them on ;)

Funny; switch the word "Republican" with "Democrat" and by gosh, ya got me. *g*
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2005-06-25 02:01 pm (UTC)
Funny; switch the word "Republican" with "Democrat" and by gosh, ya got me. *g*

Ah, if only there were more people like us in the world, Ferrett...
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-06-25 02:44 pm (UTC)
Indeed. The hopeful me keeps thinking that surely there must be, but looking around at the people we've elected does not support that hope.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-06-24 02:47 pm (UTC)
Don't offend anyone.

Which offends everyone.
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[User Picture]From: theferrett
2005-06-24 02:48 pm (UTC)
That which offends no one, inspires no one.
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[User Picture]From: thanoslug
2005-06-24 03:34 pm (UTC)
Bingo. The Dems don't inspire. The mantra of political correctness that the Democratic party loves so much is insipid and uninispiring. About the only time they seem to get passionate is when they talk about how much they hate Republicans. You don't win on hate.
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2005-06-24 02:39 pm (UTC)
You know what I thought was odd about Hillary's and Chuck's indignation over Rove's comments?

During an election, they would run from the "liberal" label as if it were the plague. But now, when Rove states that liberals wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy, they get offended? So are they no longer shunning the word "liberal"?

I only saw the Rove soundbite - what was the context/purpose of his speech?

Given the current political climate, I think the only swinging back they would do (aside from demand an apology or resignation) call the Republicans names. Which would descend into an endless "you're a warmonger", "you capitulate", "you're a commie", "you're a fascist" rant.

Kind of funny, though, that while Rove was told he should resign, "the swimmer" was telling Rummy that he should resign. Are these the new Democratic talking points? :-)
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-06-24 02:48 pm (UTC)
It was a speech castigating Moveon.org in which he made hyperbolous remarks about liberals in general.

Yeah - make the mean people go away appears to be the new Dem platform.
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[User Picture]From: pheret1
2005-06-24 03:44 pm (UTC)
Yeah - make the mean people go away appears to be the new Dem platform.

I snorted coffee at this one. Mind if I use it in conversation from time to time? It so succinctly sums up the mindset!
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-06-24 03:46 pm (UTC)
Go for it! I only demand a small percentage of your speaking fees in return.

;-)
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[User Picture]From: tygher
2005-06-24 03:32 pm (UTC)
I am not a very political person. In fact, I hate everything about politics. But I love this post. The idea that so many of our so-called leaders are just that .. declawed .. amuses me to no end, because they do act that way.

I've seen more adult behavior on a schoolyard playground.
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[User Picture]From: susitna
2005-06-24 04:02 pm (UTC)
The Dems just get more pathetic by the year. They've stopped being a force of their own and become simply the dweeby kid that shouts "Nuh UH!" to the Republican party. Bunch of pussies.

I hate the ideas of the Republicans, but they do demand more respect than we do these days.
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[User Picture]From: kenp_v3
2005-06-24 04:14 pm (UTC)
Democrats are probably hoping they can somehow get rid of Karl Rove over this. That would be a dream come true for them.

(Of course Rove isn't going anywhere and he ain't apologizing.)
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-06-24 04:42 pm (UTC)
Of course he isn't. Nor should he. I dislike the man and I dislike his politics, but that doesn't mean he should be stopped on that basis alone. If the Dems have to rely on that, then they deserve to lose. As much as it pains me to say it.
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[User Picture]From: haplochant
2005-06-24 09:16 pm (UTC)
*cringe* how embarrassing.
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[User Picture]From: yndy
2005-06-24 09:43 pm (UTC)
Wow.
That was brilliantly said!

I wish you'd post it over in neph_politics - but just... wow!

*applause applause*
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-06-24 10:24 pm (UTC)
I'm not a member, but if you want to link to me, or quote me, please feel free!
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