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A bit like bear baiting, but what the heck [Dec. 13th, 2005|10:12 am]
Zoethe
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So my adorable and intelligent husband, theferrett has an outstanding rant on the war on Christmas today.

I agree with him. My philosophy is, "the more we can wish people well, no matter from what demonination such wishes stem, the better." My beliefs are far from mainstream, but I never object to anyone wishing me a Merry Christmas, and just to avoid confusion in those to whom I bestow a holiday greeting, I wish them a Merry Christmas as well. I'm still waiting for the hissing response of, "I'm not a Christian!" so I can reply, "Neither am I; get over yourself!"

I firmly believe that tolerance is not paring away all vestiges of cultural difference until we are identical in our blandness. I believe it's celebrating that we're all celebrating. Go ahead and wish me a Happy Hannukah. Or Kwanzaa. Or Yule. Or Dwali, Solstice, Saturnalia. I'll know that you are wishing me good cheer for the end of the year and good fortune in the coming one. And I'll wish it right back at you.
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[User Picture]From: ladyoflight2004
2005-12-13 03:23 pm (UTC)
Hear, hear!!!
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[User Picture]From: aehallh
2005-12-13 03:24 pm (UTC)
Haha. I'm not a Christian. And I agree with you, and with your husband. =o)
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[User Picture]From: jfargo
2005-12-13 03:29 pm (UTC)
I'll still wish you a "Happy Holidays," but not because I think you'd be offended by "Merry Yule," but instead because I recognize that these other holidays do exist, and that I want you to have a good day no matter which holiday it is.

That's not wrong, is it?
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-12-13 03:32 pm (UTC)
Nope. I got no problem with that one, either. But as I have told anecdotally a number of times, I draw the line at the spiel I got at a Starbucks one Christmas Eve. The guy handed me my coffee and said, "Enjoy your holiday, should you choose to celebrate."
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[User Picture]From: old_hedwig
2005-12-13 03:44 pm (UTC)
I want to be miserable and wretched! Stop oppressing me with your wishes of cheer!

Kidding. Merry christmas, and a Happy New Year!
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[User Picture]From: ruka_
2005-12-13 05:45 pm (UTC)
I KNOW somebody like that. @_@
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[User Picture]From: shugenja
2005-12-13 03:52 pm (UTC)
Absolutely. I accept any wish of joy and goodwill, regardless of denomination. Although I might draw the line at "Happy Dead Babies Day!" I'm not sure why anyone would say that, but there it is.
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[User Picture]From: kid_lit_fan
2005-12-13 03:53 pm (UTC)
I wish that everyone in the world would get a good comparitive religion class at an impressionable age.

Just about everyone has a big happy celebration when the days finally start getting longer again, with candles (or newfangled things that aren't as likely to set you on fire) to represent the Sun, whether they know they're representing the Sun or not.

Just about everyone has some kind of fertility festival involving food, usually including eggs, that big old symbol of the Circle of Life, in Spring.

If one is a Pagan correct answer to "Merry Christmas" is "And a Joyous Yule to you!"

One of the most irritating things I ever saw was a sign in a nearby downtown for a "Hannukah, Kwanzaa and Holiday Party." Screw all y'all, it's either a "Holiday Party" or a "Hannukah, Kwanzaa and Christmas Party."

As a better writer than I put it (emphasis mine):

"There are many things from which I might have derived good, by which I have not profited, I dare say," returned the nephew. "Christmas among the rest. But I am sure I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round -- apart from the veneration due to its sacred name and origin, if anything belonging to it can be apart from that -- as a good time: a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time: the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys. And therefore, uncle, though it has never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that it has done me good, and will do me good; and I say, God bless it!"



If people aren't bright enough to mentally insert "Goddess bless it!" or "Gods bless it!" or are cranky enough to wonder why a self-made Brit of 1843 was so damn CHrrrrrrrrrristian, I cannot see them as worth getting through to.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-12-13 03:56 pm (UTC)
Okay, now you've made me want to go and listen to Patrick Stewart reading it. Yum.
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[User Picture]From: butterandjelly
2005-12-13 03:54 pm (UTC)
Then Merry Christmas to you! (she says without fear of offending the recipient)
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[User Picture]From: ijess
2005-12-13 03:56 pm (UTC)
Here, here! :)
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[User Picture]From: elfwench
2005-12-13 04:00 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, most Christians I know aren't that openminded. A greeting of "Blessed Yule" isnt' taken well. My mother-in-law would have a fit. She is most intolerant and "one true way". Myself, I don't care. Fuck, wish me a Happy $winterholiday and I'll be happy and probably throw out a cheery, "Hey! Back at ya!" if nothing else.

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[User Picture]From: caudelac
2005-12-13 04:06 pm (UTC)
Merry Christmas, Teh Gini!
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-12-13 04:09 pm (UTC)
Aw, a hug! Yay for hugs!!!
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[User Picture]From: weirman
2005-12-13 04:12 pm (UTC)
I haven't been a Christian for a few years, but I still don't really understand the whole anti "Merry Christmas" hubbub. It actually bothers me quite a bit. I think I can be a non-Christian and still celebrate to some degree a notion of Christmas. Peace on earth, family, gift giving and receiving, enjoying the look of a tree in my house, not to mention all the lights.

I don't have any problem at all with being wished a "Merry Christmas". Regardless of my beliefs, that whole notion is a part of my life, a reminder of my childhood, and an expression of joy.
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[User Picture]From: the_siobhan
2005-12-13 04:21 pm (UTC)
Merry Mithrmas!


(Say that five times fast.)
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[User Picture]From: hilarita
2005-12-13 04:25 pm (UTC)
Yes. And J-LP can make it so!
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From: kenakari
2005-12-13 04:42 pm (UTC)
We get public holidays for Divali, Eid and Christmas, so between October and December you'll hear "Shub Divali"; "Eid Mubarak" and "Merry Christmas" according to the season.

The greeting you got in stores depended on the religion of the staff &/or management, and all you have to say is "Thank you" or "Same to you".

Divali & Eid were two days apart in November this year, and a few years back Eid was celebrated in December, and there wasn't any fuss about the overlaps at all from any religious group.

As an outsider, I still have a hard time understanding what all the hullabaloo is about. What logical proof does anyone have that Jesus was born on December 25th anyway? :-)

By the way...are Hannukkah and Kwanzaa are public holidays in the States, and if not, why is that so?
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From: kenakari
2005-12-13 04:48 pm (UTC)

Argh bad sentence construction, sorry

That last line should read "Are Hannukkah & Kwanzaa public hoildays in the US? If not, why?"

I really shouldn't post while high on cough medicine.
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[User Picture]From: wdomburg
2005-12-13 04:49 pm (UTC)
Oddly enough I was commenting to the wife on this, and had been thinking of posting in my journal something along the lines of: "PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: 'Merry Christmas' does not always mean 'YOUR HOLIDAY F@#$ING SUCKS. EAT MY CHRISTIANITY, HEATHEN!!!'"

I'll admit, not the most graceful way of making a point. :)
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-12-13 06:09 pm (UTC)
But highly amusing.
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[User Picture]From: mentalwasteland
2005-12-13 05:11 pm (UTC)
Shades of "Harrison Bergeron"...
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From: tessbelle
2005-12-13 05:25 pm (UTC)
That's great! I also love to celebrate everything.
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2005-12-13 05:50 pm (UTC)
Happy Festivus, Gini! :)
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-12-13 06:12 pm (UTC)
Yay, Festivus!!
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[User Picture]From: ruka_
2005-12-13 05:52 pm (UTC)
I like happy holidays since I'l celebrate Anything!!
I got to sit in on passover since my mothers mothers mother was jewish.
I'll sometimes go to church on christmas night because it's just a Beautiful celebration.
I absolutely delight in halloween as a cultural celebration as well as a wicked costume excuse.

Though I swear when I'm too old to chew my food it'll be Santa-day and be officially moved to december 26th Aka boxing day. It'll be a day of frenzied shopping for the perfect gift with insane sales! Than gift giving when the stores close!

hell I know peope who do that NOW.
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[User Picture]From: ruka_
2005-12-13 05:53 pm (UTC)
Oh and don't forget american thanksgiving!

My Mom's american! I'm one part!

and I want a strawberry cake for christmas while singing karaoke...
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[User Picture]From: lanalucy
2005-12-13 06:15 pm (UTC)
Kurisumasu Omedeto
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2005-12-13 06:27 pm (UTC)
Mele Kalikimaka
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[User Picture]From: veryloud
2005-12-13 06:33 pm (UTC)
I love Christmas! There, I said it. I'm an athiest who loves Christmas. And as an athiest who has seen a lot of asshats do a lot of weird, hateful things in the name of their Christian religion, it is especially nice to me to see a Christian event that, while certainly over-the-top commercialized and fraught, has as its premise the idea of giving cool stuff to the people we love. That's okay by me, whoever is sponsoring it.
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[User Picture]From: veryloud
2005-12-13 06:35 pm (UTC)
er...just to be clear: I do NOT mean that Christian = Asshat.

Asshats come in all religions, and none at all :)
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[User Picture]From: shezan
2005-12-13 06:45 pm (UTC)
Absolutely! And a happy Christmas to you!!!
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[User Picture]From: call_me_harmony
2005-12-13 08:10 pm (UTC)
Merry Mishmash Gini

Very well written.

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[User Picture]From: sneakingyoda
2005-12-13 09:33 pm (UTC)
Make it so.
Make it so.
Make it so.

*cackles*

I said it last year.
I'll say it this year.
I'll say it next year.

I <3 that icon.
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[User Picture]From: funwithrage
2005-12-13 09:41 pm (UTC)
Merry Christmas!


Honestly, as a paganish chick, I have no problem with the holiday. A lot of my favorite customs, like decorating with greenery and hanging up lights and eating lots of food, date back pretty far anyhow; likewise, most of the non-specifically-secular songs I like border on the pagan anyhow. (We Three Kings, for example, with the whole "...king and god and sacrifice" bit and the minor chords of weird goodness.)


Enh, all gods are facets of the God, and so on.
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