It's a useful lesson. There should definitely be classes like that.
But I don't like classes where every project is a group project, and your grade is determined solely by how well the group does. Because there are a lot of lazy bastards out there who know you'll carry them through. It's teaching you that others suck, and it's teaching lazy boy that others will pick him up and carry him through if he does nothing -- the latter being a lesson you do not want to teach people.
Now, if the groups were more dynamic, and you could hire/fire people, perhaps with some bonus points you could pass around as incentive to attract the smart people... that would be an awesome course.
2006-04-15 06:33 pm (UTC)
is there a difference...
between a tesseract and a hypercube?
2006-04-15 06:50 pm (UTC)
Re: is there a difference...
. Hypercube is a more general thing and can have more than four dimensions, whereas tesseract is just the four dimensional one.
In non-mathematical practice, though, the two are pretty much interchangable. Everyone will know what you mean...
We've all been there. I did a three person project by myself because one guy dropped the class after we picked groups, but didn't bother to tell us until it was too late, and one guy was going to write the report because "he wasn't very good at coding". He then proceded to write a report that would have made english teachers cry. It was really bad, and I rewrote the entire report an hour before it was due. This was a junior level computer science class, mind you. I ended up with an A on that project, but it was because I did a whole bunch of work on it.
Well, the woman in charge of the other really substantial part of the project is very hard-working, even if she can't parse a sentence. I don't mind editing her work, because substantively it will be right.
I really did assign the two unreliables the smallest and most insignificant portions of the assignment, so that we will be able to fix their work.
I HATE group projects. I NEVER had a good group. There was ALWAYS someone dragging their A-- and expecting the others to give them a free ride. My usual repsponse was to do it ALL, so that quality control (and my grade) was in MY hands.
I was grateful to the professor who let us "fire" one member of four. I had one person like myself, one willing but needing lots of direction, and one who said "Oh yes, I'll do that, no problem", then didn't do anything, and didn't even show up for the final presentation! Thankfully, I had caught on to her early, got permission to "fire" her, and had done her part so that I was able to step in and carry it off.
Just curious: what happened to the "fired" people? Did they have to form groups of their own, or just fail (which would be unfair if you fell in with a clique group who hated you)?
Can't speak for ba1126
, but in the one class I had where we were allowed to fire people from group projects, they were supposed to try to get another group to let them join. Nobody actually got fired, though, so I'm not sure what would have happened if the fired person couldn't find a group.
I imagine that not being able to simply sit back and cruise while everyone else did the work would motivate some people to put in at least enough effort to avoid termination.
She lied about us to another group. They felt sorry for her and let her in. She let them down flat. Their four part presentation had only three parts. The prof gave them good grades, though, 'cause she know the girl's history. (between leaving our group and joining this other one, she "blew off" the mid-term and cut several classes).
Hopefully she got a bad grade for that...
I believe she flunked it, but I don't know for sure.
I wish we could have fired at least the one.
zoethe writ: "I hate group projects, but they probably teach the most useful lesson in life: you will always have to work with lazy-ass dicks"
yeppers. that was one of the main reasons I left the last job... when you have to get something done, you need to be able to depend on the others in your group.
I'm glad that even though you will have to do someone else's job you will be able to get a grade worthy of all YOUR work.
Yeah, our grade is very much in flux. The person who had to put together the first project managed to leave out the memo, so even though we had the best project, we came in 4th. One the seond, we came in 1st. On the third, we came in 3rd because Sarah and I were both too swamped to re-do the project.. If we can pull off another 1st, we can come out of there with the high grade, but I am relying heavily on having time to fix their trash. It's tempting just to write the sections myself and have done with it, really.
I'd not only be tempted, if I could possibly find the time to do it, I would. Then I'd be prepared if their work was missing/lousy.
Mm, but if you're clever, in real life you can ditch the lazy-ass dicks in the shit, whereas if you let them drown in their own stupidity in college, your grades die too. It must really grate to give freeloaders a free ride.
It's one of the reasons I'm changing jobs. I hate night shift, and I find that when it comes to night shift assigned duties, such as doing change-over, if *I* didn't do it, it didn't get done. Pisses me off.
The worst group work I ever saw in college was intentional sabotage. Six students worked together on a four-hour presentation, which was to be given once in each of two labs, three students each. They paired up to make sure someone in each lab knew everything... and one student not only refused to help the group and his partner, he turned in a pretty good portion the day of his presentation, but didn't tell anyone in the group. It mildly confused everyone, made the handouts harder to follow because he was in the middle, and no one in the other half of the group knew what he had done. His counterpart had been asking for help figuring out what confused her, and the rest of the group had been trying while he did nothing; she had no idea what he had put together until the professor told her at the one-on-one feedback session.
When word got out to the class, he became Most Disliked. His is one of two names anyone in the department will respond to because he broke the rules. Group work is group work, and while you will be graded individually, you don't try to make the group look bad.
With this, there isn't even an individual grade portion. The prof has no idea who did which parts. We live and die together.
That was spectacularly shitty of the guy though. And bizarre.
Oh, he's a character. The professor knew who did what because it was a presentation-- you present what you worked on most, more or less, though you are responsible for everything. It's common in that class for the prof to ask a question of the current speaker, who then glances around in a panic until her groupmate steps in and helps out. And since the professor knew that the guy had done something wrong and saw both presentations, and they should ideally be almost identical because that's the only time the class is given much of the information... oh, the comeuppance.
they probably teach the most useful lesson in life: you will always have to work with lazy-ass dicks
True, but really, how many times must I learn this particular lesson?
Did you miss the "always" part?
I like group projects with annonymous circular evaluations.
Ooooo, that would be delicious.