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More Ohio Elections stuff [Oct. 19th, 2006|06:50 am]
Zoethe
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I can't vouch for the truth of this entry in The Daily Kos, but if it's true, it is disturbing. Quick summary: A friend of a friend alleges that Ken Blackwell, the Ohio Secretary of State who is running for governor, organized a targeted purge of the Ohio voter rolls and a lot of people may find themselves being turned away from the polls on November 7. I checked Ferrett's and my registrations at the Cuyahoga Board of Elections site, and we are both still registered, but if you are an Ohio voter you might want to check. If you're in Cuyahoga County you can check online with only your last name and date of birth.

According to the blog entry, they targeted people like apartment dwellers and college dorms, and if so there then the purpose of the letter would not be out of line. But the letter they describe sending would be easily ignored by legitimate voters. And if it were ignored, or peole did not realize that there was an action component to it, then they may have been booted from the rolls.

I'd love to know if anyone on this list got such a letter. Like I said, it could be nothing. But if it's not, it's potentially disturbing.
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[User Picture]From: zenithgryph
2006-10-19 11:25 am (UTC)
That's messing with the voting pool!

There could be some sort of demographic which commonly lives in apartments and dorms... liberal college kids? A

Either way, it's all SO VERY WRONG. It makes me see red -- not the republican kind, either. Guy should be strung up from the rafters... by his e-peen.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2006-10-19 12:46 pm (UTC)
Apparently it was timed so that primary polls would not be affected, meaning that people who voted in the primary would have no notice of a problem.
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[User Picture]From: darthfox
2006-10-19 11:42 am (UTC)
These are the people (broadly speaking) who sent a letter about how the cops were going to arrest people at the polls last time, and printed it on fake letterhead for that added air of legitimacy. (When I'm not about to miss the bus, I'll look up a cite for that.) Why shouldn't they skip that step this time and un-register people themselves?

Sigh.

Any news on the Strickland thing?
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2006-10-19 12:49 pm (UTC)
Now that you mention it, yes. Blackwell punted the decision to one of his employees, who voted to go ahead with the hearing.

Putting up a link in a moment.
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[User Picture]From: darthfox
2006-10-19 12:57 pm (UTC)

as promised

Note that this is from the 2004 election; I'm putting it here for the purpose of demonstrating that I'm not just slinging shit.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/31/192155/73
In which a letter informs people they may have been improperly or illegally registered by moveon.org, NAACP, and other Kerry-supporting organizations (technically true, in the way that anything may have happened), on letterhead from the Lake County Board of Elections (false, false, false).

All of which was on top of Blackwell's challengers-per-precinct nonsense. That guy is a piece of work.

It was technically correct of him, I suppose, to recuse himself from the Strickland issue. And unsurprising that the staffer voted to hold the hearing. But like I said the other day, it may be better to have the hearing and demonstrate that Strick is legit, rather than skipping the hearing and spending his whole term with people going Well, you know, he shouldn't even have been allowed to run in the first place. If the glove doesn't fit, and all that.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2006-10-19 01:06 pm (UTC)

Re: as promised

I don't think it would follow him. There is no doubt that he is an Ohio resident, and that he does own property in both counties. It would be quickly forgotten.

Whereas, if Blackwell manages to steal this election, I would probably have to seriously reconsider my future as a resident of this state....
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[User Picture]From: altaego
2006-10-19 01:20 pm (UTC)
Glad to know that you guys in Ohio are keeping an eye on your election process.
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From: authentichris
2006-10-19 01:29 pm (UTC)
kos. "SHRILL SHRILL SHRILL" I'm WORSE than LIMBAUGH and MORE IMPOTENT.

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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2006-10-19 01:45 pm (UTC)
Yes, but I've learned stuff from Limbaugh in the past as well.
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From: authentichris
2006-10-19 01:57 pm (UTC)
You know, that was a good way to disarm me. Nicely done. Conversation skills rule. POINT-ZOETHE
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2006-10-19 02:12 pm (UTC)
My word-fu is strong!

;-)
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[User Picture]From: forestfire
2006-10-19 01:34 pm (UTC)
Sadly, mass challenges and purges of election rolls are common all across the country. That I know of, there is nothing illegal about it. Obviously, it is unethical and undemocratic. Throughout college I lived in a town where the college students were the deciding factor shifting the demographic from Republican to Democrat. Every single student had to carefully monitor their registration and each was challenged at the polls despite their clear legal right to vote in the state in which they attend college.

To be fair, Democrats do this too. There are some red districts in my otherwise blue state and their votes are routinely lost, counted oddly or schewed by challenges and drives to stop the vote.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2006-10-19 01:46 pm (UTC)
And it's equally wrong.
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From: authentichris
2006-10-19 02:03 pm (UTC)
Democracy isn't the highest morality, or the highest ideal. Haven't you read heinlen? The individual and his ability to live uninjured is the purpose of government.

51% of the population cannot eviscerate the other 49%. There are truths that are self evident and rights that are inalienable. If 80% of the people want to harm 20%, then it's immoral.

The bush administration's mandate to make changes to our privacy, to the way our government operates is patently immoral, in the same way that it would be immoral to punish people that have had success in this economy.

It seems that you know this, but I'm not pushing for a mob-rule democracy, especially in these times.
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[User Picture]From: forestfire
2006-10-19 02:55 pm (UTC)
I have read Heinlen and I'm currently trying to decide whether it was too long ago. My own doubts about democracy come from Thoas Carlyle.

My problem with tampering with elections has very little to do with a foundational belief in democracy. I completely agree that 51% should not be allowed to dominate 49%. Nor am I willing to let the Bush regime dictate how I lead my life regardless of whether the election was balanced.

However, freedom of information and accessible government are essential to assuring the government operates for the people rather than as a tool of the wealthy elite. Preventing oppression by the majority is the next obstacle. Between gerrymandered voting districts, noncompetative races and the entrenched two party system, elections do very little besides offer a prestaged choice between the lesser of two evils. However, this does not mean that I am willing to allow further sabatoge and entrenchment. The misuse of power to perpetuate itself at the expense of the public is a huge issue with many facets. Tampering with the voting pool is one. Its an issue that reaches to the core of what most Americans believe their rights are. (History might tell us otherwise).

That being said, as corrupt and reprehensible as I find the Bush administration, I have nothing positive to say about Democrats unloess it is that they appear to feel the need to placate the occassional pang of conscious.

I take a very proceduralist approach. I don't like either of the two parties who have carefully selected which issues will be discussed and shut out true dissent. Yet, if we can fix the process (elections among others), there may be hope of reopening genuine debate.
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[User Picture]From: dana3
2006-10-19 02:28 pm (UTC)
Most useful thing on that site --
Once you've verified that you're registered, if you click on the "ballot" link it takes you to a copy of the actual ballot. For once, you can have a copy to research ahead of time!! How nice it would be to have informed opinions about judges and the miscellaneous issues, instead of just staring at a sea of names I know nothing about except for whatever the League of Women Voters put out! Well, there's one improvement to the process ... thanks for the link!
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2006-10-19 03:34 pm (UTC)
Serendipity! I will definitely have to take a good look.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2006-10-19 04:07 pm (UTC)
He's a cad. And slimey.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2006-10-21 02:42 pm (UTC)
It really just sickens me, watching the process get corrupted - but I fear that democracy really is like sausages....
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[User Picture]From: justbeast
2006-10-21 12:52 pm (UTC)
Oh, whew! I was worried, there, since I haven't received my voting registration card this season (but Liss has).
No, looks like I'm good to go, though.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2006-10-21 02:40 pm (UTC)
Glad I was of service!
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[User Picture]From: justbeast
2006-10-21 02:51 pm (UTC)
Thanks! :) I was in fact trying to figure out where I could find this info when I came upon your post.
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