I think the best description I ever heard of him was a joke where and old guy called him a "Fence Turtle." In the joke, when asked what a Fence Turtle was, the old guy explained it was when you're driving down the road and see a turtle that someone has balanced on top of a fence post.
He doesn't know how he got up there, he doesn't know what to do now that he's up there, and you just wish someone would go along and help the poor thing get down.
don't know enough about him to comment, but it seems you do so i thank you. I am very guarded about the election results, there is little to guide me to say that democrats, just by name, are any better. I'm very much a libertarian ad am quite apprehensive that folks will rest back on the victory and decide all will be fine now. Only time will tell.
I've been saying since -- shoot, since I voted for McCain in the Virginia Republican primary in 2000 -- that Bush is a sincere and probably very nice guy who has no business being in charge. The Oval Office is no place for being earnest at the expense of being shrewd. If you're not bright enough to realize you're being played like a two-dollar banjo, or not savvy enough to care, you do not belong at the helm of anything bigger than an outrigger canoe.
That said, you're right that the newly-elected Democrats need to demonstrate at least some, if not a great deal, of the class they've been hollering about the Republicans lacking for the past twelve years. I'm also the only person I know at the moment who's not rubbing her hands in glee at the thought that now, at last, there might be a chance to impeach this easily-led knucklehead who remains our president.
I've been saying since -- shoot, since I voted for McCain in the Virginia Republican primary in 2000 -- that Bush is a sincere and probably very nice guy who has no business being in charge.
Hell, during the 2000 primaries, there were many Republicans who were saying that the wrong Bush was running.
While he may not be as bad of a man as his advisors, I do not think he should be held guiltless. Even a man of stunning ignorance and poor mental faculties, which he may be, must have some idea of the goals of his advisors. I do not believe he is only a wind-up president, going where his masters point him.
Surely, if he had had different advisors, he would have acted different, but he had some influence in choosing those advisors, and he chose to go with their policies. Even if none of the evil actions he has taken were originally his idea, theye are still his actions, and thus his responsibilty.
True, but the point even more for me is that we don't waste opportunity by spending our time in useless villification.
First off: how do you know what he's like as a person?
Secondly, what makes a person evil, if not their actions?
I certainly don't know personally, but I've read enough written about him by people who are his political opponents and who find him to be personally very affable to believe that this is probably the case.
Second, I believe that intent is an important component in the defining of evil. I believe, for example, that Karl Rove is evil, because he went out of his was to foster hostility. I believe that Rumsfeld is evil because he has carried out this entire war effort for his own benefit and that of his cronies. I believe that Bush, frankly, is too gullible and easily led to be evil. I think he means well.
Bullying is essentially cowardly. The bully hides his or her own inadequacies, while making out that other people are at fault. The bully may see the other person as more capable, successful, popular or attractive than they are. The targets of bullying are usually above-average performers, much more efficient and better at what they do than the bully. This reason stands head and shoulders above all others for why certain people are targeted.
In Alexandria Pelosi's film "Journeys with George" (yes Alexandria is Nancy's republican daughter), W's bullying is clear and onmi-present, if you do something he doesn't like, for instance, one time Alexandria asked George a political question, you are shut out cold shouldered, called names, intimidated, he thumps you on the chest with his finger, he bullies you. Until of course you do exactly what he wants. Ever since 2000, George has been in a bubble, so this film is the last time you can see his true nature.
I think we all know what happens when you stand up to a bully. Yesterday, all of America stood up to the Bully-in-Chief called W. He's stupid, he's a bully, he lives in a bubble. Bush thinks he's a nice guy, but he's a low down school yard bully more than anything else.
If you haven't seen "Journeys with George" put it on your list.
if you do something he doesn't like, for instance, one time Alexandria asked George a political question, you are shut out cold shouldered, called names, intimidated, he thumps you on the chest with his finger, he bullies you.
Yeah, it was pretty over the top when Clinton did that to Wallace on Fox News Sunday.
Oh...wait...you were talking about Bush. My bad. :-)
Does it really matter if he was evil or just weak and spineless? It is rhetorical and pointless conjecture either way. The end results of his character - be it "evil" or "catastophically weak and inept" - are the same.
Oh, the end results are dreadful. I just don't want to see us wasting our efforts gloating over his comeuppance to the detriment of actual progress.
I disagree that doesn't make him a bad person. He's not a naiive country bumpkin who didn't know any better. At the very least he selected a group of advisors whose jobs are to insulate him so he doesn't have to worry about the consequences of his actions. He chose to give power to disreputable people and is pointedly not concerning himself with what happens. On a smaller scale, if I hired a team of lawyers, bookkeepers and personal assistants and let them screw over my friends, family, landlord and whomeever else I encounter while leaving me blithely unaware of what people were doing in my name, I would still be a bad person. Amusingly though, this makes it sound like George W. Bush is the Paris Hilton of politics.
I don't think a lack of a cohesive message is quite the same as "We're not that guy", and most of what I've heard about the Democratic Party fits the former. As I've said elsewhere, I'm pretty ok with people doing the best job they can and making what they feel are the right calls at the time than trying to shape their actions to a specific party wide agenda. I just wish "Do the Right Thing" was a viable platform.
I don't mean to completely absolve him of guilt. My bigger point is finding our feet and moving forward. And while a monolithic voice is not necessary, some voice is essential if the Dems are going to stay in power.
I suppose this, in some way, depends on what you define as "bad." In my own worldview, W's sort of moral and intellectual laziness is getting up there. No, he didn't quite understand what was going on, but he didn't seem to make much of an effort, either--and, as an adult, I think he *is* accountable for that.
I don't consider all Republicans, or the entire Republican platform, evil, and I don't think Bush is nearly as bad as Cheney and Rumsfeld. On the other hand..."not as bad" doesn't mean "not bad at all."
He is not absolved. But he is also not Satan, and keeping perspective is important for forward motion, rather than just gloating.
Thank you for saying this.
Many of us need to hear it.
True. There is not enough room in an LJ entry to cover all the nuances. He sees too much in black and white, wants too many easy answers, and that included torture to get answers.
You are correct. George Bush is not an evil man. He is, however, a catistrophically stupid man, elected by a majority of equally stupid people, who now seemed to have radicallly changed their minds. Usually, people can be stupid and non-threatening, but Mr. Bush's stupidity has cost thousands of American lives, countless Iraqi lives, and the stability of an entire region of the world, on top of what it has done domestically. This is no small thing to live down.
I am glad that the Democrats have suceeded in gaining some political mommentum. But I am very sorry that so many moderate Republicans had to loose their jobs to gain that majority. Now we are left with alot of real loonies in power for the GOP and that, frankly, scares me. These are people who will continue to lead the President around by his nose, lie to him and convince him that their dictates are the only way to go, there by stalling the legislative process. I just hope that the Democrats can come up with a good plan for the 2008 elections, because I highly doubt that anything is going to get done in the next 2 years.
Most of the time, government getting nothing done is actually a good thing.
Unfortunately, we have to get ourselves through this catastrophic war....
I think that's pretty much what I was saying.
("I came to bury Caesar, not to praise him...")