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Today's open letter to the world [Mar. 29th, 2008|06:30 pm]
Zoethe
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Dear overeager Democrats (you know who you are):

Please stop with this whole "Hillary should get out of the race" crap. While it's true that her numbers look mathematically impossible to take the nomination, that doesn't mean that the nomination is sewn up. And, honest, now, the only reason you're trying to pressure her is because the nomination isn't sewn up.

There are several states that have not yet held primaries. They are filled with Americans, and they have a right to vote.

This is an election. Not a coronation.

Best,

Me
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[User Picture]From: pinwiz
2008-03-29 10:48 pm (UTC)
1. I'd agree with you if I had one primary season before this where my vote actually counted towards determining the nominee. Hillary was expecting to be given the nomination crown after Super Tuesday.

2. She could still _possibly_ get the nomination, but not at the cost of disenfranchising millions of supporters. She's losing by every reasonable metric, systems that were perfectly fine when her husband was running in 1992. She can only win my making Obama lose. It's not helping either person, and it's not helping us.

This isn't a because the election's not settled, it's about how she's running her campaign. We need to hit McCain hard, not punch at each other. This needs to end. Now. It's for the best. If Hillary would just stick to what makes her the proper candidate instead of what makes Obama unworthy, you'd see a lot less griping.
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[User Picture]From: groundbyground
2008-03-30 02:41 am (UTC)

Just saying...

If Hillary would just stick to what makes her the proper candidate instead of what makes Obama unworthy, you'd see a lot less griping.

Because Obama has been totally focused on his worthiness and hasn't bashed at all...

She can only win my making Obama lose.

Isn't that the point?
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[User Picture]From: kibbles
2008-03-29 10:56 pm (UTC)
She already got her coronation, by the Kingmaker, Moynihan. That was only a senate seat, though.

Sure, let it go to the wire, if only to prove who the people really want. I just hope its not HER, because I really cant in good conscious vote for someone I think is unethical. :(
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-03-30 02:15 pm (UTC)
Oh, I agree. But she keeps shooting herself in the foot, so I'm not too worried.
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[User Picture]From: custardfairy
2008-03-29 11:46 pm (UTC)
A-fucking-men.

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[User Picture]From: groundbyground
2008-03-30 02:58 am (UTC)
Seconded.
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From: bonerici
2008-03-30 12:22 am (UTC)
what if the super delegates vote for hillary while obama wins the elected delegates?

If you think of ways for the democrats somehow find a way to lose the presidency to somehow find out of the million different ways to win, to somehow find a way to lose the presidential election, an election which follows the most unpopular and incompetent republican president in modern history fighting the most unpopular war since vietnam, with the economy on life support, well, democrats seeing hillary become the nominee with less elected delegates than obama is like finding that solitary needle of epic fail out of a haystack full of victory.

And being a michigander democrat, I find myself unable to generate the requisite sympathy for voters in Pennsylvania. At least they get to seat delegates. We weren't even allowed to have obama on the ballot and won't have a single delegate seated at the convention.
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[User Picture]From: groundbyground
2008-03-30 02:43 am (UTC)
We weren't even allowed to have obama on the ballot...

Not sure on this, just asking, but couldn't you have written him in?
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[User Picture]From: kuangning
2008-03-30 12:44 am (UTC)
And, honest, now, the only reason you're trying to pressure her is because the nomination isn't sewn up.

Yes. If they really thought she didn't have a chance, they wouldn't need to be vocal about it.
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[User Picture]From: rkane
2008-03-30 01:23 am (UTC)
I'd be fine with her staying in the race if her strategy wasn't mudslinging. It's not that people want her to sit down so their guy wins, it's that they want her to stop the negative attacks so that the Democrats win.
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From: wildcelticrose
2008-03-30 12:53 am (UTC)
I'm sick of "it" and I'm sick of ALL of "them".

And it's only March (although it feels like December)

[sigh]
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[User Picture]From: blairwitchgreen
2008-03-30 01:44 am (UTC)
And, honest, now, the only reason you're trying to pressure her is because the nomination isn't sewn up.

No, the honest, real reason I want her to drop out is actually two-fold:

1. She really doesn't have a realistic shot at winning the nomination.
2. Since Super Tuesday she's been running an extremely nasty and negative campaign that is not helping her and is doing harm to the Democrat's chances of winning this fall.

If neither of these were true, if she had a decent shot at winning *or* was running a positive campaign, I'd be fine with her continuing. In fact, if she and Obama were both hammering at McCain with gusto constantly I think it might be good that the nomination wasn't wrapped up; 2 against 1 is pretty good odds, especially when both have a lot more cash on hand than he does. But she and Bill are on the stump saying that she and McCain are qualified to be president and that Obama's not, that's just way over the line.
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[User Picture]From: groundbyground
2008-03-30 02:56 am (UTC)
How is this hurting Dems? Are we supposed to seek out a candidate who we feel will do the better job, or just agree to crown the leader in the delegate count? Please, enlighten me.

One fifth of the votes are up for grabs in the form of independent Super-delegates. Like it or not. She has a shot.
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[User Picture]From: 28bytes
2008-03-30 02:41 am (UTC)
While it's true that her numbers look mathematically impossible to take the nomination, that doesn't mean that the nomination is sewn up. And, honest, now, the only reason you're trying to pressure her is because the nomination isn't sewn up.

Well, yes. If she can't win it mathematically, what does that leave? A backroom deal to override the results of the primaries and caucuses, or some sort of nuclear option that renders Obama unelectable and he withdraws. And I don't think most Democrats want to see either of those things happen.

(And if she does have a nuclear option, what's she waiting for?)
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[User Picture]From: groundbyground
2008-03-30 02:57 am (UTC)
The right time so that he can't muster a recovery.
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[User Picture]From: groundbyground
2008-03-30 03:00 am (UTC)
Thank you. Mind if I quote or repost this?
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-03-30 07:52 pm (UTC)
Not at all.
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[User Picture]From: kathrynrose
2008-03-30 03:05 am (UTC)
And, honest, now, the only reason you're trying to pressure her is because the nomination isn't sewn up.

Honestly, no. I wouldn't give a damn if she stayed in until the convention, if she would talk about the issues and why she would be a good president, without lies and personal attacks that only serve to do McCain's job for him this fall. I have slowly lost respect for her to the point that I don't know if I could make myself vote for her in November if she pulls this out of wherever. And this from someone who does.not.vote.republican. Ever.
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[User Picture]From: kisekinotenshi
2008-03-30 03:18 am (UTC)
I agree. I don't even think she's a bad person, but the way she's been acting has really offended my sensibilities. I don't necessarily think she should drop out of the race just yet, but if she wants my vote, she's going to stop being a name-calling, mudslinging bitch.

And NC's primaries aren't until May. XP So there!
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-03-30 08:07 pm (UTC)
Good for him. I missed that.
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[User Picture]From: uplinktruck
2008-03-30 02:03 pm (UTC)
Zoethe, you are a very wise woman.

Unfortunately for the Democrats, they have two candidates that are both intensely focused on the prize. Neither of them are willing to drop the blinders and see what they are doing to their own party. That fact alone speaks silent volumes about both candidates.

So for better or worse, the process must continue all the way to the convention floor if need be.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-03-30 08:16 pm (UTC)
I am relieved and gratified that we have two candidates who are focused on the prize. Our recent elections have been about who looks electable to the party officials, and they've been dismal failures. Give me scrappy over Kerry any day.
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[User Picture]From: jeffpalmatier
2008-03-30 09:02 pm (UTC)
This is an election. Not a coronation.

I agree with your reasoning. However, in fairness to the Obama camp, I would add that Hillary herself made that statement (and her Superdelegate supporter Robert Johnson) in which she said how the members of the electoral college aren't necessarily obligated to vote for who the voters chose for them to elect. Talk about asking for a coronation! What I find all the more galling about this is that based on her past behavior, I'm convinced that if their current standings in the polls were reversed and the Obama camp had made the same argument, she'd be crying bloody murder and saying how the members of the electoral college must vote for who the voters chose. I've also become convinced that the Clintons care about themselves first and foremost. Although I agree that this should play out until every American has voted, I don't think they care about the possibility of splitting their party in two. If the superdelegates give the nomination to Hillary, all hell is going to break loose, and I don't think the Clintons care about what damage it does as long as their own boat is afloat.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-03-31 02:25 pm (UTC)
Yes, of course she would. That's the nature of politics. I truly believe that people will see her as getting increasingly shrill and the realities of handing the nomination over to her will be apparent.
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[User Picture]From: owlswater
2008-03-31 11:22 pm (UTC)
I don't think she "should" get out of the race. Campaigns are expensive and she has a responsibility to her donors to try to win by any reasonable means available to her.

That should also be true for Obama and supporters though, right? Is trying to pressure her into bowing out not an acceptable tactic? It's a lot easier and cheaper for him if she steps down instead of fighting it out to the end.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-03-31 11:29 pm (UTC)
Except it's not Obama who's suggesting it. In fact, he told people to stop saying it. Beause he's a classy guy.
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