I've always thought she was an annoying mindless twat.
I'm sure the videos will be "interesting" viewing.
I will of course refrain from using the term "mindless twat" when I send my email ;)
Anyone who actually listens to Kathie Lee Gifford is stupider than her. Why Frank the love machine didn't drop her plastic surgeried body years ago is beyond me.
I've boycotted the Today Show since they hired her actually. I put her on the same level of Limbaugh and Coulter - the "why are you still here?!?" level.
Wait. I watched all 11 nauseating minutes. I never heard her apologize for the comment.
Early on she says (I'm strongly paraphrasing here) "I'll just issue a blanket apology like every week, so to the millions of people I've offended, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry."
Right. I heard that. That's not an apology for the comment. That's just an apology for generally being an asshole.
She apologized to "everyone she offended."
That's the apology? What a twat.
I guess she doesn't really understand what a "Christian apologist" actually is.....
I think I just threw up in my mouth...and you just totally reinforced why I hate TV and never, EVER watch it; except for movies. And Top Chef. A million monkeys with a million crayons could create something far more interesting and intelligent than anything that Kathy Lee Gifford an pull out her fluffy, igorant, narrow arsehole.
2008-07-05 07:13 pm (UTC)
I tried to watch the apology Zo, I just couldn't hack it. The conversation they were having was so fucking inane and trivial I was praying for aneurysm...theirs or mine, whatever would make it stop.
The pagan comment was incredibly ignorant though.
It's amazing that that is what passes for entertainment these days, isn't it?
I'll probably be the only one to say you shouldn't get offended at that insignificant comment. Complain to NBC? However you do it, you'll end up sounding like those pressure groups milking a situation for political objectives. At best.
I was thinking the same thing. that was the comment? really, that's it? chalk it up to ignorance, let it roll off, and move on.
Substitute Muslims, Jews, or the "N" word and let me know if it has the same impact.
That being said, I did roll my eyes and move on from the initial comment; the snottiness of her "apology" was what got to me.
I agree that the apology was the more insulting of the two, and that had it been anything else, any specific group, it would have had a much harder impact.
You have to realize, however, that most people view "pagan" as either something that happened a long time ago, or a loose amalgamation of people who don't have one specific creed or culture to bind them together, thus it becomes just a word.
I'm not saying she didn't screw up: What she said was dumb, and deserved an apology.
The apology? Yeah, I can see that getting to you. It was horribly done, and in actuality, not done.
<a href="http://zoethe.livejournal.com/603505.html?thread=13795697#t13795697> again avoiding repetition.</a>
I'll agree the "apology" was absurd. had I been an offended party, I wouldn't have had any inkling the apology was even set in my direction. it was completely out of context.
I'll also concede that the impact would've been greater had another group been targeted, but I agree with the person below who said that (obviously uninformed)people don't necessarily think of Paganism as still existing in the modern era. so my view is, again, that she's just ignorant and not that she's intentionally dispersing anti-Pagan rhetoric.
But this is why the "apology" incensed me. After a deluge of complaints, a short remark making it clear that she was not speaking of modern pagans and that she was speaking from ignorance (because it's clear that self-deprecating humor is the business of the day there) would have resolved the situation. Instead, she made fun of people for complaining (if you didn't watch to the end of the apology - and gods know that the inanity of the babble would certainly excuse running away screaming), in the last minute there is a "screw you whiners" attitude.
I did post an email to Today and said the same thing. If she had said the same thing about Muslims or Jews, they probably would have fired her. The initial comment was just her being an idiot, but when she said she didn't think she needed to apologize and was only doing so because she was told to, that what made me mad.
Exactly, precisely when I truly became incensed.
Nah, you're not really the only one. I think this is just giving the site more hits, and more attention than the show is worth. She said something kinda really dumb, and sure it was offensive, but she probably just wasn't thinking.
People don't think of "Pagan" as something that exists these days. If they think of the "New Age" movement, they usually think in terms like "Wiccan" or "Druids," not "Pagans."
Yes, I'm using lots of "quotes." I don't mean anything by it, but I can't bring myself to remove them.
Yes, and those negroes should have just been happy to have a lunch counter at all.
Um, it's okay to be a group objecting to a situation. That's part of how the process works. Pagans are in fact faced with discrimination and ignorance. If she had said, "Those bad, nasty Muslims," I would be equally offended.
I don't "go off" at the drop of a hat. The final scene of Hancock offended my pagan sensibilities, but I wouldn't even be mentioning it if I wasn't looking for a contrasting example. And in point of fact I didn't even mention this incident in the initial brouhaha. But the completely, "ghod, I'm sorry, you whiny, over-sensitive babies" tone that her "apology" took was considerably more offensive than the initial remark. And that's why I'm stepping in now.
Ok, calling Pagans evil and nasty, that's just her being blantantly ignorant and bigoted (replace Pagans with the N-word...see how long she'd stay on the air). I'm not offended personally, but just chalk it up to yet another moron with way too much time in front of a camera potentially giving her the possibility of power in the us (thankfully, she doesn't seem to have any).
But the "apology" video? OMG, if I was her co-host person, I would have been offended within two minutes! A person of (I'm assuming here) mixed race talking about her hair texture and KL-G says that's a "Flaw"! Yeowch! How about celebrating differences instead of pointing out how much better you think you are than everyone else Miss Holier than thou!
Edited at 2008-07-05 07:26 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I was willing to let the initial remark go, but the level of offensiveness in the apology was 10x magnification.
Um...WOW. I thought Kelly Ripa was an idiot, but she's got nothing on this dumbass. I managed to watch the original offense and made a good attempt at watching the apology, but I just couldn't get through it. I am so, so glad that I don't own a TV.
The initial remark was ignorance, accomplishing little more then making Ms. Gifford look stupid. Short of yelling fire in a crowed theater, we all have a constitutional right to be just as stupid as we want in our public speech.
It is my feeling that we are too thin skinned in this country. It is a shame that any off handed comment or joke that steps on some politically protected toes results in everything from public apologies to job termination. And this is not limited to just those in highly public positions like network on air talent. The thought police are everywhere these days. Even in the back hallways of industry.
It is about time we, as the collective population of the United States, get our sense of humor back and learn to laugh at our selves again. The first time an overheard joke on a public university campus resulted in formal disciplinary action against the student that told the joke (and those that laughed) was the day I began to wonder if Orwell was a fortune teller.
That is not the world I want to live in.
That said, Ms. Gifford's apology was an insult ranking right up there with a slap in the face. It was obvious from the way her 16 second non-apology was bookended with mindless talk and giggling along with her failure to even mention Pagans by name, that she considered the entire matter a joke that was entirely beneath her.
Better she shouldn't have said anything.
While you are writing, don't forget the mother ship. If there is pressure from the parent company, the network and show producers will be less able to ignore it or sweep it under the rug.
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I utterly agree with you about the thin-skinned stuff. My initial reaction was to wince and roll my eyes but let it go.
And if you didn't watch until the end, the nasty remarks she concluded with made the apology even more of a slap.
On your recommendation, I did watch the end. *head shakes*
You can really tell the apology really stuck in her throat. The only thing she felt was annoyance at have to give an apology.
I think the apology makes the comment even worse than it already was.
The comment was basically an ignorant statement made by an extremely ignorant woman.
However, if you're going to apologize, apologize correctly, and with your heart behind it, or don't apologize at all.
And I think it's right that people are going to be standing up for themselves in this matter.
I personally am not a pagan, but I will be emailing the Today show.
I wish. I have only seen a clip of her once before, and she was almost as inane back then. She continues to be employed, a fact that baffles me entirely,
Completely. I don't understand what she has going for her.
I wish. I have only seen a clip of her once before, and she was almost as inane back then. She continues to be employed, a fact that baffles me entirely, and yet there she is.
In the first clip -- to me, she just sounds stupid - like she didn't know what pagan MEANS. Like she was saying, "the mean nasty HUNS" - or some other "villainous" ancient civilization.
In the "apology" clip she is cloyingly unapologetic -- GROSS.
Edited at 2008-07-05 11:24 pm (UTC)
That's why my first inclination was to let it go. It's the nastiness of the "apology" that actually got under my skin.
You're f*cking kidding me.
If I thought they'd listen to an Australian and if I were eloquent enough, I would definitely email.
Edited at 2008-07-06 06:12 am (UTC)
What do GE have to do with it?
Besides, I'm still not eloquent enough. :-)
General Electric owns NBC, the network that runs the Today Show. You don't have to be eloquent. Just tell them you are upset at her comments and no longer have a warm and fuzzy feelings about their light bulbs and dishwashers.
If enough people do that, eloquent or not, something will happen. It may be a behind the scenes spanking to offering to do a story showing Pagans in a good light.
But in any case they are not going to be reading every note. The powers that be will be scanning the cards, letters, e-mails, forms and phone calls and totaling up numbers.
Fill in the form, say what you feel and how how it effects your view of General Electric.
Double post, kill this one.
Edited at 2008-07-07 04:28 pm (UTC)
That's because it doesn't say what it used to say.
I'm just gonna nod my head and move on now. ;-)