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Pagan PSA [Jul. 5th, 2008|01:39 pm]
Zoethe
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Many of you have probably already heard about the remark that Kathie Lee Gifford made regarding pagans. But her "apology" is even more appalling. The program segment in which the apology occurs is a painfully trite 11+ minutes of babbling, within which there are two "apologies," each one more insulting than the one before. If you can tolerate watching it all the way to the end, her final remarks are incredibly insulting, remarks that demonstrate an arrogant disregard for anyone who would object to the words tripping from her golden tongue.

If you wish to make your voice heard on this issue, you can call the Today show producer at (212) 664-4249, press 1, and then ask to speak to Jim Bell. Or you can email Today@NBC.com. My only request is that you express your anger in intelligent and polite terms - do not fall to their level of discourse because it only gives them an excuse to disregard our complaints.

Here is the YouTube link to the remarks by Kathie Lee Gifford regarding pagans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZm3IGFPLyk

Here is the MSNBC link to the apology:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/2541106825411068#25411068

Feel free to copy and paste this entry to anyone or any group you wish. Attribution appreciated but not required.
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From: wildcelticrose
2008-07-05 05:54 pm (UTC)
I've always thought she was an annoying mindless twat.

I'm sure the videos will be "interesting" viewing.

I will of course refrain from using the term "mindless twat" when I send my email ;)
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[User Picture]From: ladyhawke_wings
2008-07-05 06:02 pm (UTC)
*speechless*
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[User Picture]From: suzieboz
2008-07-05 06:06 pm (UTC)
Anyone who actually listens to Kathie Lee Gifford is stupider than her. Why Frank the love machine didn't drop her plastic surgeried body years ago is beyond me.

I've boycotted the Today Show since they hired her actually. I put her on the same level of Limbaugh and Coulter - the "why are you still here?!?" level.
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[User Picture]From: kathrynrose
2008-07-05 06:18 pm (UTC)
Wait. I watched all 11 nauseating minutes. I never heard her apologize for the comment.
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[User Picture]From: jfargo
2008-07-05 06:22 pm (UTC)
Early on she says (I'm strongly paraphrasing here) "I'll just issue a blanket apology like every week, so to the millions of people I've offended, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry."
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[User Picture]From: kathrynrose
2008-07-05 08:36 pm (UTC)
Right. I heard that. That's not an apology for the comment. That's just an apology for generally being an asshole.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-05 08:43 pm (UTC)
Teehee!!!
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-05 06:38 pm (UTC)
She apologized to "everyone she offended."
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[User Picture]From: intelligentrix
2008-07-05 06:55 pm (UTC)
That's the apology? What a twat.
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[User Picture]From: kathrynrose
2008-07-05 08:37 pm (UTC)
Yeah. It does't count.
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[User Picture]From: theinfamousmom
2008-07-05 06:21 pm (UTC)
I guess she doesn't really understand what a "Christian apologist" actually is.....
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[User Picture]From: angielabrie
2008-07-05 06:32 pm (UTC)
I think I just threw up in my mouth...and you just totally reinforced why I hate TV and never, EVER watch it; except for movies. And Top Chef. A million monkeys with a million crayons could create something far more interesting and intelligent than anything that Kathy Lee Gifford an pull out her fluffy, igorant, narrow arsehole.
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[User Picture]From: fmh
2008-07-05 07:13 pm (UTC)
I tried to watch the apology Zo, I just couldn't hack it. The conversation they were having was so fucking inane and trivial I was praying for aneurysm...theirs or mine, whatever would make it stop.
The pagan comment was incredibly ignorant though.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-05 07:53 pm (UTC)
It's amazing that that is what passes for entertainment these days, isn't it?
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[User Picture]From: shezan
2008-07-05 07:19 pm (UTC)
I'll probably be the only one to say you shouldn't get offended at that insignificant comment. Complain to NBC? However you do it, you'll end up sounding like those pressure groups milking a situation for political objectives. At best.
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[User Picture]From: shydescending
2008-07-05 07:40 pm (UTC)
I was thinking the same thing. that was the comment? really, that's it? chalk it up to ignorance, let it roll off, and move on.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-05 08:03 pm (UTC)
Substitute Muslims, Jews, or the "N" word and let me know if it has the same impact.

That being said, I did roll my eyes and move on from the initial comment; the snottiness of her "apology" was what got to me.
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[User Picture]From: jfargo
2008-07-05 08:20 pm (UTC)
I agree that the apology was the more insulting of the two, and that had it been anything else, any specific group, it would have had a much harder impact.

You have to realize, however, that most people view "pagan" as either something that happened a long time ago, or a loose amalgamation of people who don't have one specific creed or culture to bind them together, thus it becomes just a word.

I'm not saying she didn't screw up: What she said was dumb, and deserved an apology.

The apology? Yeah, I can see that getting to you. It was horribly done, and in actuality, not done.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-05 08:42 pm (UTC)
<a href="http://zoethe.livejournal.com/603505.html?thread=13795697#t13795697> again avoiding repetition.</a>
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[User Picture]From: shydescending
2008-07-05 08:30 pm (UTC)
I'll agree the "apology" was absurd. had I been an offended party, I wouldn't have had any inkling the apology was even set in my direction. it was completely out of context.

I'll also concede that the impact would've been greater had another group been targeted, but I agree with the person below who said that (obviously uninformed)people don't necessarily think of Paganism as still existing in the modern era. so my view is, again, that she's just ignorant and not that she's intentionally dispersing anti-Pagan rhetoric.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-05 08:41 pm (UTC)
But this is why the "apology" incensed me. After a deluge of complaints, a short remark making it clear that she was not speaking of modern pagans and that she was speaking from ignorance (because it's clear that self-deprecating humor is the business of the day there) would have resolved the situation. Instead, she made fun of people for complaining (if you didn't watch to the end of the apology - and gods know that the inanity of the babble would certainly excuse running away screaming), in the last minute there is a "screw you whiners" attitude.
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[User Picture]From: dweezel
2008-07-09 12:48 am (UTC)
I did post an email to Today and said the same thing. If she had said the same thing about Muslims or Jews, they probably would have fired her. The initial comment was just her being an idiot, but when she said she didn't think she needed to apologize and was only doing so because she was told to, that what made me mad.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-09 02:03 am (UTC)
Exactly, precisely when I truly became incensed.
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[User Picture]From: jfargo
2008-07-05 07:41 pm (UTC)
Nah, you're not really the only one. I think this is just giving the site more hits, and more attention than the show is worth. She said something kinda really dumb, and sure it was offensive, but she probably just wasn't thinking.

People don't think of "Pagan" as something that exists these days. If they think of the "New Age" movement, they usually think in terms like "Wiccan" or "Druids," not "Pagans."

Yes, I'm using lots of "quotes." I don't mean anything by it, but I can't bring myself to remove them.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-05 08:04 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-05 07:59 pm (UTC)
Yes, and those negroes should have just been happy to have a lunch counter at all.

Um, it's okay to be a group objecting to a situation. That's part of how the process works. Pagans are in fact faced with discrimination and ignorance. If she had said, "Those bad, nasty Muslims," I would be equally offended.

I don't "go off" at the drop of a hat. The final scene of Hancock offended my pagan sensibilities, but I wouldn't even be mentioning it if I wasn't looking for a contrasting example. And in point of fact I didn't even mention this incident in the initial brouhaha. But the completely, "ghod, I'm sorry, you whiny, over-sensitive babies" tone that her "apology" took was considerably more offensive than the initial remark. And that's why I'm stepping in now.
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[User Picture]From: rustymarble
2008-07-05 07:25 pm (UTC)
Ok, calling Pagans evil and nasty, that's just her being blantantly ignorant and bigoted (replace Pagans with the N-word...see how long she'd stay on the air). I'm not offended personally, but just chalk it up to yet another moron with way too much time in front of a camera potentially giving her the possibility of power in the us (thankfully, she doesn't seem to have any).

But the "apology" video? OMG, if I was her co-host person, I would have been offended within two minutes! A person of (I'm assuming here) mixed race talking about her hair texture and KL-G says that's a "Flaw"! Yeowch! How about celebrating differences instead of pointing out how much better you think you are than everyone else Miss Holier than thou!

Edited at 2008-07-05 07:26 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-05 08:00 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I was willing to let the initial remark go, but the level of offensiveness in the apology was 10x magnification.
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[User Picture]From: areawoman
2008-07-05 09:33 pm (UTC)
Um...WOW. I thought Kelly Ripa was an idiot, but she's got nothing on this dumbass. I managed to watch the original offense and made a good attempt at watching the apology, but I just couldn't get through it. I am so, so glad that I don't own a TV.
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[User Picture]From: uplinktruck
2008-07-05 09:34 pm (UTC)
The initial remark was ignorance, accomplishing little more then making Ms. Gifford look stupid. Short of yelling fire in a crowed theater, we all have a constitutional right to be just as stupid as we want in our public speech.

It is my feeling that we are too thin skinned in this country. It is a shame that any off handed comment or joke that steps on some politically protected toes results in everything from public apologies to job termination. And this is not limited to just those in highly public positions like network on air talent. The thought police are everywhere these days. Even in the back hallways of industry.

It is about time we, as the collective population of the United States, get our sense of humor back and learn to laugh at our selves again. The first time an overheard joke on a public university campus resulted in formal disciplinary action against the student that told the joke (and those that laughed) was the day I began to wonder if Orwell was a fortune teller.

That is not the world I want to live in.

That said, Ms. Gifford's apology was an insult ranking right up there with a slap in the face. It was obvious from the way her 16 second non-apology was bookended with mindless talk and giggling along with her failure to even mention Pagans by name, that she considered the entire matter a joke that was entirely beneath her.

Better she shouldn't have said anything.

While you are writing, don't forget the mother ship. If there is pressure from the parent company, the network and show producers will be less able to ignore it or sweep it under the rug.

General Electric Corporate can be contacted through an online feedback form located here: https://www.ge.com/contact/contact_form.html

Be sure to mention this matter changed the way you see General Electric as a whole will impact future buying decisions on everything from light bulbs to home appliances to future investment decisions.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-06 03:24 am (UTC)
I utterly agree with you about the thin-skinned stuff. My initial reaction was to wince and roll my eyes but let it go.

And if you didn't watch until the end, the nasty remarks she concluded with made the apology even more of a slap.
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[User Picture]From: uplinktruck
2008-07-07 03:08 pm (UTC)
On your recommendation, I did watch the end. *head shakes*

You can really tell the apology really stuck in her throat. The only thing she felt was annoyance at have to give an apology.
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[User Picture]From: candiedheart
2008-07-05 09:49 pm (UTC)
I think the apology makes the comment even worse than it already was.
The comment was basically an ignorant statement made by an extremely ignorant woman.

However, if you're going to apologize, apologize correctly, and with your heart behind it, or don't apologize at all.
And I think it's right that people are going to be standing up for themselves in this matter.

I personally am not a pagan, but I will be emailing the Today show.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-06 02:53 am (UTC)
Thanks.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-06 02:56 am (UTC)
I wish. I have only seen a clip of her once before, and she was almost as inane back then. She continues to be employed, a fact that baffles me entirely,
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-07 02:50 pm (UTC)
Completely. I don't understand what she has going for her.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-06 02:59 am (UTC)
I wish. I have only seen a clip of her once before, and she was almost as inane back then. She continues to be employed, a fact that baffles me entirely, and yet there she is.
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[User Picture]From: on_reserve
2008-07-05 11:22 pm (UTC)
In the first clip -- to me, she just sounds stupid - like she didn't know what pagan MEANS. Like she was saying, "the mean nasty HUNS" - or some other "villainous" ancient civilization.

In the "apology" clip she is cloyingly unapologetic -- GROSS.

Edited at 2008-07-05 11:24 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-06 03:10 am (UTC)
That's why my first inclination was to let it go. It's the nastiness of the "apology" that actually got under my skin.
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[User Picture]From: ser_kai
2008-07-06 06:10 am (UTC)
You're f*cking kidding me.

That's ridiculous.

If I thought they'd listen to an Australian and if I were eloquent enough, I would definitely email.

Edited at 2008-07-06 06:12 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: uplinktruck
2008-07-07 03:11 pm (UTC)
Send it anyway, especially to the General Electric Corporate offices ( https://www.ge.com/contact/contact_form.html ). I think General Electric sells light bulbs and home appliances there. (see above post.)
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[User Picture]From: ser_kai
2008-07-07 03:20 pm (UTC)
What do GE have to do with it?

Besides, I'm still not eloquent enough. :-)
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[User Picture]From: uplinktruck
2008-07-07 04:26 pm (UTC)
General Electric owns NBC, the network that runs the Today Show. You don't have to be eloquent. Just tell them you are upset at her comments and no longer have a warm and fuzzy feelings about their light bulbs and dishwashers.

If enough people do that, eloquent or not, something will happen. It may be a behind the scenes spanking to offering to do a story showing Pagans in a good light.

But in any case they are not going to be reading every note. The powers that be will be scanning the cards, letters, e-mails, forms and phone calls and totaling up numbers.

Fill in the form, say what you feel and how how it effects your view of General Electric.
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[User Picture]From: uplinktruck
2008-07-07 04:26 pm (UTC)
Double post, kill this one.

Edited at 2008-07-07 04:28 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-07 08:00 pm (UTC)
Huh? I only see it once.
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[User Picture]From: uplinktruck
2008-07-07 08:08 pm (UTC)
That's because it doesn't say what it used to say.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-07 08:13 pm (UTC)
I'm just gonna nod my head and move on now. ;-)
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