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Well THAT'S better [Jul. 22nd, 2008|11:06 am]
Zoethe
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Finally feeling human again. Even if it took getting up this morning, working a little while, and then collapsing for an hour's nap. It was quite strange: I can only describe it as my body shaking off the last of the sickness like a dog shaking water from its fur. Now all I have is that post-illness, quiet feeling. The one that says, don't get all carried away, bucko, and you'll be fine.

I had a strange dream last night. Actually, most of the dream was the standard sort of "aliens invading the world, try to find someplace safe to hide." fare. But all my allies were strangers to me, a group of doubters in a world otherwise enthusiastically welcoming the aliens. And the first place we found to hide was discovered by other humans whose eyes were opened by the actual raid. But when I found a second, more secure hiding place, I was determined only to share it with the original group and to leave the late arrivals to their fate. I thought they were stupid and didn't deserve to be saved.

This seems a rather strange attitude for someone who fashions herself compassionate toward the underprivileged. And yet when I think about it, it's not really contradictory. I am concerned with the growing education gap. I think it is the job of society to do what it can to give people an opportunity to get on the playing field, even though it will never be level. I believe that regulation is necessary to prevent upstream producers from dumping their cost of doing business on the little guy downstream.

But once people have the same information and the ability to process it, if they are going to continue being stupid and ignoring consequences, well then my compassion dries up and they're on their own.

You can believe in both social and personal responsibility. If one accepts that, then we are just discussing matters of degree.

(Yeah, that kind of rambled all over the place. Blame it on post-infirmity brain.)
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[User Picture]From: adjust_56
2008-07-22 03:41 pm (UTC)
"if they are going to continue being stupid and ignoring consequences, well then my compassion dries up and they're on their own."

There is a HUGE difference between being compassionate and allowing someone to take you to the cleaners becuase you are bending backwards to try and safe those that don't want to be saved. I find you letting them sink very compassionate, life will become their teacher....kind of like the thought that god sends a little nudge first then if you didn't learn the lesson the nudge grows until it's a 2 X 4.....for me compassion is seeing them for who they are and allowing them to be that ( even though i wouldn't be that) and letting them grow at their own pace....a teacher of mine used to say we are all going in the same direction, some of us choose to take an airplane, others a bus others choose to walk and others choose to take all the scenic drives and distractions before ever embarking on the path.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-22 04:16 pm (UTC)
I think the problems of society are more complicated than that. Some people aren't ever given much choice in their mode of transportation. But personal responsibility has to kick in somewhere.
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[User Picture]From: vrax
2008-07-22 03:49 pm (UTC)
We are obligated to unlock all the doors, but we need not hold them open all day.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-22 04:16 pm (UTC)
Good way of putting it.
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[User Picture]From: kisekinotenshi
2008-07-22 03:59 pm (UTC)
It's very true, and I think it's part of the reason why my mother was so smart in letting my older brother make an idiot of himself seven years ago (good lord, it has been that long). Basically, he had a toxic girlfriend, and he let her decide a bunch of stuff for him, such as dropping out of college (twice), getting minimum wage jobs, living in a pig sty, and basically just fucking up his life. My mother, instead of giving them money and trying to help them, basically told me brother that it was his hole, he dug it, and he would have to get himself out of it. And it took him a good four years to do so, but the day he finally dumped that girl and moved to where we are was the day his life started improving. And now he's a college graduate, has a lovely fiancee and a secure job, and is that much wiser for spending those years living paycheck to paycheck and occasionally being evicted from places and listening to that evil girl. Most mothers would care too much about their children to let them learn that way (although it shouldn't be said that my mother didn't suffer, watching her eldest son in that state), but my mother is a good mom.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-22 04:19 pm (UTC)
Enabling is not love. What your mom did, that's love.
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[User Picture]From: wyrrlen
2008-07-22 05:15 pm (UTC)
I heard Ira Flatow say that 51% of the United States believes Creationism over the Law of Evolution. I think that as a society we have created our own barriers to education when we consider learning and reason to be anathema to our identity. Cultural changes are the hardest ones to undertake.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-22 05:41 pm (UTC)
That just dismays me every time I hear it. And I can't help wondering how the questions were couched - I just don't want to believe we are, as a people, this ignorant.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-22 06:51 pm (UTC)
Thanks.
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[User Picture]From: bustylis
2008-07-22 08:20 pm (UTC)
I'm glad I'm not the only person who has alien invasion dreams. I always have fugitive/freedom fighter dreams, where I'm running from something (totalitarian governments, robots, aliens, or the mob, like last night). What's frustrating is that I think these are actually, psychologically/physiologically distressing me, to the point where I wake up more tired than when I went to bed. Which then begs the question, what am I running from?
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-22 09:09 pm (UTC)
No, you are definitely not alone in those dreams, my dear. And yeah, I woke up sort of wondering about the significance of discovering a safer spot by moving a slimy skeleton out of a crypt, discovering a false floor beneath it that I couldn't smash through but eventually realized could be lifted away, and then stone stairs down into a lighted space that I never actually saw but somehow knew was safe. That's gotta be at least 37 flavors of Jungian.
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[User Picture]From: uplinktruck
2008-07-22 08:37 pm (UTC)
"I believe that regulation is necessary to prevent upstream producers from dumping their cost of doing business on the little guy downstream."

Hmmmm...

Who do you think should pay those costs of doing business?
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2008-07-22 09:19 pm (UTC)
Yes, I know that it is a complicated mess of producers having to pass costs on to consumers, etc. And I know that regulation is fraught with bureaucratic headache. But our rivers don't catch on fire these days.

The tragedy of the commons is a real phenomenon. We've passed a lot of the cost down to our great grandchildren already.

I'm not going to pretend for a moment that there aren't serious problems with regulation. But please don't pretend that a free market is a complete panacea, either.
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[User Picture]From: thejunebug
2008-07-23 09:27 am (UTC)
Glad to know I'm not the only one who has nightmares about aliens invading the earth. *relief*
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