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"On the other hand" x8 [Feb. 12th, 2009|12:35 pm]
Zoethe
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This morning I saw a headline on yahoo news: Octuplets mom at secret location after threats. Now, I have refrained from much comment on the octuplets (because, really, what am I gonna say that others haven't), but I was incensed. Okay, the woman has made life choices that most people regard as peculiar, and yes her medical bills are going to be picked up by the state, but threatening people's lives?

So, armed for a rant, I went searching for a more permanent link to the news story, yahoo links notorious for disappearing in a matter of weeks. What I found was this:

The public relations firm representing the octuplets' mom said she is getting death threats

She's retained a PR firm? I mean, I'm sure they're working for free for the publicity, but come on. And now I'm suspicious of the inflammatory term, "death threats." The messages they quote are angry, but not really threatening. What's the job of a PR firm? To rally the public into sympathy. And if they do it in a completely cynical manner, by making the people think, "I think she's crazy, but no one should want to kill her," then they've bought her at least a sliver of sympathy.

Me? I'm now slightly more pissy about it. But no one should want to kill her.
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2009-02-12 06:15 pm (UTC)
She's retained a PR firm?

This does not surprise me. Nor would an announcement that she has hired an agent.

You need someone to assist you when you are pitching a show idea to Discovery Channel, or trying to get freebies from manufacturers.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-12 06:32 pm (UTC)
I'm just too naive I guess.
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[User Picture]From: channonyarrow
2009-02-12 06:28 pm (UTC)
No one should want to kill her, agreed, but at this point, I'm not even willing to assume that she's actually been targeted for death threats.

I find it hilarious that the editor behind OJ's book, "If I Did It", which caused a shitstorm of wank in the publishing world a few years ago, has said that there is no market for Suleman's book and she wouldn't touch it with a pole, essentially. That's how negative the attitude to this woman's decision is: if Judith Regan won't touch you, you KNOW you're in trouble.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-12 06:33 pm (UTC)
I'm not willing to believe there are actual death threats, either. I think it's drummed up by the PR firm.

And wow, no Judith Regan? That's damning!
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[User Picture]From: cinema_babe
2009-02-12 06:34 pm (UTC)
She got a PR firm days after the delivery. They got her on the Today Show and set her up with a web site.


http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/

PT Barnum was right.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-12 06:36 pm (UTC)
I hate people.
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[User Picture]From: mycorethoughts
2009-02-12 06:51 pm (UTC)
I feel immensely sorry for her kids. I have no sympathy for their mother at all, but the poor kids never asked for this crap.
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[User Picture]From: longtimegone
2009-02-12 07:16 pm (UTC)
That's pretty much how I feel. I don't wish the woman ill, but I certainly don't feel sorry for her. I worry about the kids though. :( it upsets me that they will most likely suffer for their mother's mistakes.
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[User Picture]From: hugh_mannity
2009-02-12 07:04 pm (UTC)
From the link: Suleman's octuplets qualify for Medi-Cal, a health program for the poor paid through taxpayer money. The preemies will need care for six to 12 more weeks, and each child's treatment costs $2,400 to $3,500 per day.

They were born Jan 26, so they've had 17 days care so far. So let's say another 9 weeks, which comes to 80 days. Times $3,000 (which is about the middle of the cost range given) come to $240,000 per child, or $1,920,000 total.

I think the State of California should find out who did the IVF and bill them for that money. Because if they didn't know she was (a) on welfare/disability and (b) had 6 kids already, then they didn't do a proper assessment of her. If they knew and went ahead, then they're guilty of malpractice. Humans are not designed to have litters, singles, twins, maybe triplets. Beyond that it's not good for either mother or babies.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-12 07:08 pm (UTC)
Seriously. Who implants a fertile woman with 8 embryos?
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[User Picture]From: kyburg
2009-02-12 07:04 pm (UTC)
You been by my place this week? Aghast was Monday. Oh, and you know someone *directly* involved - Jim works at the hospital where the kids were born, has seen them, cooed at them and confirms every report that they are thriving. He's x-rayed a number of them, himself.

So - if I tell you I CAN'T TALK - but hint that there's more truth to this than not? Yeah. That.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-12 07:09 pm (UTC)
I wish those babies all the health and success that life can give them. The mom needs serious intervention.
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[User Picture]From: kisekinotenshi
2009-02-12 07:37 pm (UTC)
I just saw a link on AOL that she's trying to drum up donations. WHAT A SURPRISE. This woman is sick and needs serious medical help, and the intervention of child protective services.

Thankfully, I think after this is over, we'll see a decline in the multiple births. She's caused such a negative reaction that I think a lot of people are seeing that it's all about the attention/money for most of those women (not the first couple, but the most recent ones).
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-13 08:30 am (UTC)
No one, let alone a single woman, can afford to raise 14 kids solo. She has to make them a circus, sadly.

I hope you're right about declines in multiple births.
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[User Picture]From: funwithrage
2009-02-12 08:08 pm (UTC)
Nobody should want to kill her.

But I doubt that the death threats exist. The woman's an attention whore, plain and simple: when attention whores feel threatened, some form of ZOMGLIFEINDANGER generally "emerges", whether it's pseuicide, fake death threats, or "oh hai guyz I has the TB".
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-13 08:35 am (UTC)
Word.
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[User Picture]From: reannon
2009-02-12 09:22 pm (UTC)
Given the reactions I've seen every time this woman's face, name or the word "octuplets" appears on the internet the past two weeks, I have absolutely no problem believing there are death threats. Hell, just look at this, and that's after about thirty seconds of looking only on LJ.

As to the PR firm, I guarantee the instant word hit that there were living octuplets, there were nine PR firms jockeying for the chance to pop into her hospital room and offer representation gratis, to coordinate her press coverage, etc. SOP. Hell, when a disturbed student shot up his high school in Paducah, Ky. the sheriff's department was so overwhelmed just with interview calls they hired the entire public relations student group at my university to help them with the attention, and that was a public body with experience in dealing with the press. I'd be suspicious if she DIDN'T have a lawyer and PR rep by now.
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[User Picture]From: kyburg
2009-02-12 09:34 pm (UTC)
Word.

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Sad, but it is what it is.
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[User Picture]From: weirman
2009-02-12 10:38 pm (UTC)
Given her actions in the past, including and up to hiring publicists to try and get as much money out of this deal as she can, I've been inclined to think that talk of her "going into hiding" was created solely to earn sympathy.

There have been other stories previous to today stating that major baby related corporations who typically provide massive donations to fertility-treatment mothers with litters aren't touching her with a pole. That was the first time I saw her publicists mentioned and immediately after that the media drive to cast her in a more sympathetic light started up.

Personally, I suspect that the whole story was generated entirely by the publicists to try and draw sympathy. I have no doubt she gets harsh commentary (especially after creating a website for donations) but I'd be very surprised if there were any death threats that were taken particularly seriously by law enforcement.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-13 08:43 am (UTC)
Just what I was thinking.
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[User Picture]From: zianuray
2009-02-12 11:20 pm (UTC)
She's not able to support herself and the first 6 kids, right? Living with ehr parents, on public assistance, etc., from what I've seen?

And now this...

CPS CAN take the kids away from an unfit mother and put them up for adoption.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-13 08:46 am (UTC)
Separation from siblings is something I would never wish on kids, though....
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[User Picture]From: suzieboz
2009-02-13 12:43 am (UTC)
I think that the "death threats" she is getting is a bunch of hoohockey and is using this made up crap of being able to garner more money.

oops...sympathy.

yeah right.

I've been to her website of the nadya suleman family which only shows the babies - not the older children. So that goes to show me that she is only after money. Aren't the older children part of the "family" too? And she had no trouble showing them on Dateline so don't say she's trying to shield them.

Unfortunately HuffPo had pix of her today courtesy of TMZ 2 days before she gave birth. Ugh. Double ugh. Octo ugh. My question is....if you can not work because of disability how the hell are you hauling around babies? Thats what ticks me off about Workman's Comp. I'm sure she could have answered a phone at that facility if she couldn't do the job she had.
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[User Picture]From: ebonypearl
2009-02-13 01:00 am (UTC)
Her disability checks ended before she got implanted. Technically, she's not disabled anymore.
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[User Picture]From: roaming
2009-02-13 01:13 am (UTC)
Though I wonder what the statistical chances are of one of those kids growing up to be a serial killer, and starting with Mommy Dearest.

I'm not saying you can't be happy in a family of 14 without the traditional set-up of Mom, Dad, doting grandparents, everyone laughing around the holiday groaning board. But I've seen the interview with this woman. She's a whack job, and in total denial. I'm guessing some form of Munchausen by Proxy that might not have a name. Maybe they'll call it Nadya syndrome.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-13 08:57 am (UTC)
She definitely needs help.
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[User Picture]From: ccr1138
2009-02-13 04:16 am (UTC)
Agreed. The sleaziness and stupidity of the whole affair is mind-boggling.
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[User Picture]From: nuala
2009-02-13 03:33 pm (UTC)
Would they publish actual death threats? Like murder details, the police will keep certain info secret in the hopes that someone will provide detailed information as proof?

I have a single friend going through fertility stuff at the moment. She's had 7 embryos implanted. Generally they don't all survive/attach. I'll keep my ears peeled on that situation. I'm not entirely sure what you do in order to only have 1 or 2 instead of all 7. I can't see my friend having (or wanting!) all 7!!

I'm not saying it's right that she has to rely on tax payers to care for her children, that she's gone begging on a website, that she's hired a bloody pr firm?! - but perhaps it's just as much the doctor's fault for implanting 8+ embryos instead of just a few at a time... ?
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-14 06:39 pm (UTC)
I want to know who paid for implanting 6 embryos (2 split) in a woman with no job and no insurance. IVF ain't cheap.
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[User Picture]From: uplinktruck
2009-02-14 04:04 am (UTC)
I can see people making threats. The frustration of the US, and in particular California, taxpayers has turned to something that is almost possible to touch.

Hearing that a woman with six kids and no job just had eight kids on the public's dime to the tune a couple million in delivery and post natal care costs alone probably brought more then a few taxpayers to vibrate in the visible range with anger. It only makes sense that with a slice of population that large that some of those would be frustrated and stupid enough to vent with threats.

Too bad that can't use that anger when they vote for people that find no problem at all with funding this kind of crap.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-14 07:09 pm (UTC)
It's kind of hard to turn 8 newborns out onto the street, but I wonder who the hell paid for the IVF in the first place. It ain't cheap.
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[User Picture]From: cosmicbandit
2009-02-14 06:36 am (UTC)
Every new thing I see about this woman makes me sick. Unless you go on media black-out you are going to hear about her. I recently read that she is being made book offers and reality show offers. It makes me want to scream that such bad behavior gets rewarded. I don't want to kill her but I would love to knock her down and kick the shit out of her. I've never had such a visceral reaction like this before but something about this woman really brings it out in me. I do hope that all those kids will be okay, but I doubt it.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-14 07:10 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I doubt it as well.
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[User Picture]From: katzinoire
2009-02-21 11:34 pm (UTC)
I agree no one should be wanting to kill her-that is ridiculous.

On a more humorous note-how does one discreetly move one adult and 8 babies to a secure safe house? Wouldn't it be a smidge obvious?

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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-02-22 05:43 am (UTC)
Maybe a little.... o-O
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