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Palin--Errata [Mar. 12th, 2009|10:49 am]
Zoethe
It has been pointed out to me, by badlydrawnjeff, that Sarah Palin made statements prior to her nomination for Vice President indicating that she did not completely endorse abstinence-only. She gave one interview in which she said that discussing condoms was "relatively benign." She also stated, "I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues,"

These remarks were given in 2006 during a debate and were clarification of her response to an Eagle Forum questionnaire. During the presidential election, a spokesperson said that Governor Palin stood behind her remarks. So she is apparently not as hard-line about this issue as her running mate or the GOP platform on which they were running.

This doesn't much change my opinions in my last LJ entry, though I suspect that Bristol didn't have to buck her parents as hard as I'd imagined to call off the engagement. The point about abstinence-only education is still valid, and I'm glad that the continued spotlight did not pressure Bristol and Levi into marriage.
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[User Picture]From: shezan
2009-03-12 03:33 pm (UTC)
Palin was active in a family organisation that distributed condoms - I could probably find the name if I weren't at the office - so that was never a question in my book, but of course it was so much easier to caricature her into a religious nut.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-03-12 03:49 pm (UTC)
In other areas, her religious nuttery was not in doubt, but I am always willing to give credit where due. ;-)
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[User Picture]From: shezan
2009-03-12 04:16 pm (UTC)
Not that canard about not believing in evolution! She has specifically said she does, as the daughter of a science teacher.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-03-12 05:13 pm (UTC)
I was being flip, dear. But, citation?
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[User Picture]From: wyrrlen
2009-03-12 05:14 pm (UTC)
I think you're misapplying to make it into a canard. Whatever she believes about evolution, she's gone on record and clarified her record that she'd like creationism and evolution to be in the same classroom.

I can think of a couple of course descriptions that could fit them both in (first to mind: How Our Growing Understanding of Evolution Minimizes the Scope and Possibility of Biblical Creationism), but I'd imagine they'd be very unlikely to be taught in a k12 environment.

What did Palin say? http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/background/story/217111.html:

Asked for her personal views on evolution, Palin said, "I believe we have a creator."

She would not say whether her belief also allowed her to accept the theory of evolution as fact.

Palin said she thought there was value in discussing alternatives.
(Emphasis mine - she even thinks creationism and evolution are alternative to each other). Pretty nutty.
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[User Picture]From: finding_helena
2009-03-12 07:05 pm (UTC)
I believe there is a creator but I don't think it should be discussed in a school science class, which she apparently does. If there was a comparative religion class I wouldn't have a problem with it being discussed there.
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[User Picture]From: shezan
2009-03-12 07:11 pm (UTC)
I'd say the Creator issue isn't one - He created Darwin and evolution as well. (Several Nobel prizes, including Jacques Monod, say the amazing complexity of biology actually drew them back towards religion.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-03-12 10:08 pm (UTC)
I have no problem with someone who says "I believe in evolution and in god." Fact and faith are not mutually exclusive; truth has more than one level.
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[User Picture]From: wyrrlen
2009-03-13 01:10 am (UTC)
Except, that's not what Palin said. When asked about evolution she said she believed in a Creator. She can't separate the origin of the species from the development of the species. She fails to acknowledge Evolution at all on first pass. On second pass, she said that they should be taught as competing ideas. Science fail.
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[User Picture]From: cynic51
2009-03-12 11:00 pm (UTC)
Almost all Americans is getting smaller all the time.
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[User Picture]From: mamaursula
2009-03-12 03:54 pm (UTC)
I agree, during the VP debate I got the impression from her answers to the Pro-Choice/Pro-Life question was a little more rehearsed and a lot less sincere belief.

I still think she's scary.
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2009-03-12 04:02 pm (UTC)
During the VP debate, I got the impression from her answers to nearly all of the questions were a little more rehearsed and a lot less sincere belief. :-D
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[User Picture]From: mamaursula
2009-03-12 04:10 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm sure she believed the gun part.
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[User Picture]From: kenp_v3
2009-03-12 09:16 pm (UTC)
I suspect that Sarah Palin is slightly to the left of my own mother on most issues. Make of that what you will.
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[User Picture]From: kisekinotenshi
2009-03-12 10:59 pm (UTC)
Then, the problem that arises from this, is that she was obviously allowing herself to be painted in a certain light that wasn't really her true belief, just to get more voters. Yeah, you can give me the line about how that's just how politics work, but that really bothers me more (and it bothers me on both sides) than if she sincerely believed in abstinence-only education.

Politics suck. XP And I secretly hope that Bristol grows up, writes a tell-all about what her family is really like and then runs for the Senate as a democrat.
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