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A moment of amused frustration in parable form [May. 8th, 2009|07:49 am]
Zoethe
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"Listen, I understand you are trying to get a big-name celebrity to draw people to your next annual jam session. I think I can get Mick Jagger to be that special guest."

"Okay, cool, it's great to get more people to sit in."

"Um.... Did you hear me say it was Mick Jagger?"

"Yeah, so, whatever the guy's name is, he's welcome to show up."

"Dude, this is Mick Jagger. He packs concert halls. People pay big bucks to see him. You don't just ask him to drop by."

"Look, just because people pay a lot to see him doesn't mean he's right for our jam session. But he's welcome to show up if he wants."

"Well, that's fine. You don't have to invite him at all, but if you *do* invite him, you don't do it this way."

[chirping crickets]

"Yeah, nevermind...."
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[User Picture]From: redstapler
2009-05-08 12:12 pm (UTC)
I had almost that exact conversation this week with my boss.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-05-08 12:14 pm (UTC)
I am digging your icon.
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[User Picture]From: redstapler
2009-05-08 12:36 pm (UTC)
Thank you.

I feel it often tells the story.
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[User Picture]From: jer_
2009-05-08 12:33 pm (UTC)
Seriously...Mick Jagger? Really? If you replace that with the lead singer from Reel Big Fish or something, you have a point :P
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-05-08 12:43 pm (UTC)
Yeah, seriously. And no, you're wrong this time.

But I remain amused. :P back atcha.

;-)
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[User Picture]From: jer_
2009-05-08 12:47 pm (UTC)
Hehe, won't be the first time I was wrong...given the assumption that I am... but for my money, "Mick Jagger" requires name recognition outside of his own niche. We have had almost no Mick Jaggers. Gaiman is a Mick. Scalzi, while rockin' as hell, is not a Mick.

*shrug*

Note well, however, that this isn't to say that the guy isn't someone I'd like to see there, nor someone I think is not GoH worthy. I think both are true (and have discussed him with you on those terms in the past)...but realism for the sake of realism here.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-05-08 12:52 pm (UTC)
Ok, but at least as big as Felicia Day, and people wouldn't invite her as "yeah, drop on by, we'll work you in."

For the record, your involvement was from a different angle. It was the complete lack of recognition on the part of tech people that was amusing me.

Edited at 2009-05-08 12:52 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: jer_
2009-05-08 12:54 pm (UTC)
*nod* I'm with ya. Please recognize, though, that the one tech guy is brand-spankin'-new and (if his commentary in various threads is any indication) out of his bloody gourd!
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-05-08 01:01 pm (UTC)
You get a big affirmative on teh crazy. And sort of totally not getting the nature of the event at all.

But if you take on tech, shouldn't you, like...know tech? I mean, I took on Media because I'm a fangirl. I may not have watched every show out there, but I'm at least aware of the big titles!
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[User Picture]From: jer_
2009-05-08 01:03 pm (UTC)
Yeah... I'm withholding judgement for a bit longer simply because the dude that recommended him is someone whose judgement I trust rather considerably... but each message makes it just *that* much harder to hold back. (And yes, sadly, this has all been me holding back...I need people skills something fierce..heh)

Unrelatedly, I keep reading the last word up that as titties. It makes it a fun sentence.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-05-08 01:08 pm (UTC)
I'm aware of those, too!!!

There have been times in the past when I have noted your admirable restraint - and not just yesterday!

My patience is straining - as you've seen. I'm going to try and keep my mouth shut. It just gets me in trouble most of the time.
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[User Picture]From: jer_
2009-05-08 01:09 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm frantically mashing the "mute" button in Gmail because today feels like a "breaky-smashy" day... so if I was being admonished YESTERDAY for being mean...today could get ugly..heh
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-05-08 01:13 pm (UTC)
Time to be Zen: let the stupid flow past, and once it's exhausted itself there will be plenty of time to do real work.

Such good advice. I love giving it away; that way I don't have it around to have to follow it!
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[User Picture]From: yndy
2009-05-08 10:15 pm (UTC)
Oh good... here I was reading this thread and grinding to a halt because I read that last sentence the same.

Now back to my thread reading - secure in the knowledge that it wasn't just me.
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[User Picture]From: sageautumn
2009-05-08 01:37 pm (UTC)
*butts in* So.. it was Scalzi?

I've no idea who Felicia Day is, though.

And Scalzi I enjoy but tend to think of "That guy that Ferrett likes, so I read and he really is pretty good." (read pronounced 'red')
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-05-08 02:14 pm (UTC)
No, and there are no hints to be found. This is intentional.

Scalzi is a regular at PenguiCon, and absolutely great.
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[User Picture]From: lyssabard
2009-05-08 12:46 pm (UTC)
Whoa.

I share your headdesky feelin'.
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[User Picture]From: ministry_victim
2009-05-08 05:28 pm (UTC)
Mick Jagger would be welcome to show up to anything I'm doing, anywhere, anytime.

Does this somehow involve young teenagers who have no idea who Mick Jagger is?
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-05-08 06:19 pm (UTC)
Parable? As in, I don't actually have an in to Mick Jagger?
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[User Picture]From: ministry_victim
2009-05-09 12:41 am (UTC)
*L*

I figured that.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-05-09 01:19 am (UTC)
Ok, well, the obtuse is beyond me today. Hav teh dumm.
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[User Picture]From: ccr1138
2009-05-08 07:33 pm (UTC)
LOL. I can't figure out which person you are in this conversation, although I hope it's the one who doesn't believe in genuflecting at the altar of celebrity.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-05-09 01:07 am (UTC)
Actually, I'm the one trying to convey that if you want someone famous, you do have to at least know who they are.
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[User Picture]From: ccr1138
2009-05-09 02:46 am (UTC)
Ah! Yes, that helps. :-) I don't believe in fawning all over famous people as if they're gods, but I agree that some sort of acknowledgment of *actual world-class talent* is called for.

Of course, I've met one or two extremely famous pro sports people and had no clue who they were at the time, only to have my husband freak out when I told him later.

JEff: "You *do* realize who that was, right?"
Me: "Um ... a really buff guy wearing lots of bling? Something to do with football, I think ..."
Jeff: "Unbelievable!"

It tells you what kind of brain I have that I can't remember their names. Warren Moon was one, I think. The other guy is a total blank. Something to do with Super Bowl XXX??? in Houston; I met the dude in conjunction with a kids' sports equipment drive I was helping with.

And you know, I've heard of Jagger, but the other names mentioned in the comments of this post? I totally do not know who they are. *shrug*
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[User Picture]From: yndy
2009-05-08 10:21 pm (UTC)
My "decided lack of awe" when it comes to celebrities and titles does NOT extend to situations wherein a celebrity within a certain circle would provide a draw to a particular event.

I'm having a very hard time expressing what I want to here. The delete key has been used liberally. But I'll try once more using your metaphor...

While I have no desire to have Mick Jagger in my house to dinner, nor am I terribly impressed by the fact that he's *gasp* Mick Jagger! on a personal level - if I were arranging a jam session and wanted people to attend, I would appreciate the draw that Mick Jagger would have to that, and would approach the situation with the requisite tact necessary to ask Mr. Jagger politely if he'd consider sitting in?

Some people get the 2 situations muddled, I think. Either they extend their own personal "lack of awe" to the situation, or they give too much weight to celebrity in their own world.

Sounds like you had one of the first sort on your hands. Whomever it was, is a fool.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2009-05-09 01:11 am (UTC)
Actually, it was a lack of awareness in someone who should have been aware.
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[User Picture]From: uplinktruck
2009-05-11 06:17 pm (UTC)
That's funny.
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