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How is the Force awakening? - Star Wars, second in this silly series [Dec. 12th, 2015|12:00 pm]
Zoethe
In the trailer, Han confirms that the legends - the Jedi, the Dark Side - it's true. All of it.

Which implies, of course, that the Jedi have once again been all but forgotten in the galaxy far, far away.

I've heard some people be irked about this--why "Return of the Jedi," only to forget them again? How much amnesia do they have in this galaxy that they can forget the spectacular deeds of Luke Skywalker in such a short time?

But really, how many people actually saw those deeds? Han, Leia, Chewie, the droids. Mon Mothma knew about the Jedi, but we don't see him using his Force powers even in front of his fellow Rogue Squadron members. He had barely rudimentary abilities by Hoth, and then was gone with Yoda, followed by chasing down Han.

Outside of the Rebellion? Ain't nobody knows about this.

I can see Mon Mothma asking Luke to keep it on the DL, and the galaxy not ever learning that the Force had returned. Just rumors. Legends. Much skepticism. And the powers of the Force slow to awaken.
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[User Picture]From: andrewducker
2015-12-12 07:18 pm (UTC)
Yup, with you there.

(Also, George Lucas has been firm that Anakin is the Chosen One, who ended the Sith by killing both Palpatine and himself. So why are there still Sith about? Or _are_ there?)
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[User Picture]From: cynic51
2015-12-12 09:55 pm (UTC)
Given George's recent track record, why do we care what he thinks again?
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[User Picture]From: andrewducker
2015-12-12 10:50 pm (UTC)
Point!
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2015-12-12 11:26 pm (UTC)
We don't know that they are Sith. They're referred to as the Knights of Ren. Potato/potahto, maybe. But maybe not.
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[User Picture]From: andrewducker
2015-12-12 11:48 pm (UTC)
Aaaah, interesting.

And stuff that I didn't know.

I'm going to go hide under a duvet until the 23rd now.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2015-12-13 03:24 am (UTC)
Sorry, it was stuff from the trailers. I will try not to spoil anything else!
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[User Picture]From: bart_calendar
2015-12-13 11:06 am (UTC)
The international trailer is pretty explicit on the Sith question.
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[User Picture]From: cynic51
2015-12-12 10:02 pm (UTC)
Point:

Of Luke's actions seen on screen:
1- He did nothing impressive on an obscure desert planet on the ass end of nowhere.
2- He helped Leia escape from inside a top secrete military base.
3- He helped blow up a top secrete military base that was orbiting an obscure moon of an obscure planet intentionally chosen by the Rebellion as "nobody will think to look for us here,", and most people probably didn't realize he used the Force to do it.
4- He fought the Empire on a ice planet intentionally chosen by the Rebellion as "nobody will think to look for us here."
5- He trained on a swamp planet with apparently one sapient resident.
6- He fought Darth Vader on an obscure mining colony where almost nobody saw him enter or leave.
7- He returned to the ass end of nowhere dessert planet and killed a crime lord in the middle of nowhere, with likely very few survivors among the minions.
8- He didn't pull out any Force powers while being seen by a bunch of aboriginal furballs who thought C-3PO of all people was a god.
9- He fought Darth Vader again in the middle of a new top secret military base orbiting the a planet on the back end of nowhere.

Counterpoint:
None of this accounts for the fact that the Rebels routinely use "May the Force Be With You" even before they have a Jedi on their side, which sort of implies that the Force is a big enough deal that its being forgotten doesn't make any sense.

Point:
There are so few Jedi in the prequels that a few well placed ambushes and one slaughter of children takes out 99% of them.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2015-12-12 11:24 pm (UTC)
Re: Counterpoint. Yes, but I think by that time it's something that the older generation is saying, the ones who knew Jedi, and the younger ones are likely to regard it like Old Timey Religion.
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[User Picture]From: cynic51
2015-12-13 12:07 am (UTC)
If it's old timey religion that the elders believe in, then the younger ones will certainly know more than a cliched line about it.

Alternate theory: the Rebellion was heavily comprised of Alderaan citizens early on, and Bail Organa knew Jedi well.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2015-12-13 03:24 am (UTC)
True
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2015-12-13 03:09 am (UTC)
People forgetting about the Jedi won't bother me. Hell, Motti mocked the Force right in front of Vader. Not a widely accepted thing, so it would come as no surprise that the legacy of the Jedi - even one from fairly recent memory - would be forgotten.
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2015-12-13 11:37 am (UTC)
And let's not forget, Luke didn't even know what a lightsaber was, and he was only 17 or so years removed from the elimination of the Jedi AND he knew about the clone wars. So some orphan on a desert planet 30 yards after ROTJ not knowing about the Force or the Jedi is completely plausible.
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