*clap clap clap* Nicely stated! Even though I'm only 5 miles at most from work, there is no bus to pass by me, plus trying to ride my bike in Erie, PA in the winter wouldn't work. However this coming spring and summer, on the nice days, I'm game for riding my bike into work. What do I have to lose? A few extra pounds? Sure why not!
Not that I'm criticizing or anything, but I find that when my political or other beliefs force me to wish for the misfortune of others, those beliefs are almost always universally wrong.
I'm glad to see gas prices coming back down. It's further proof that it's no longer a teneble strategy for the oil-poducing nations to wage covert economic war on the US via supply manipulation.
So we just blindly drive until we can't? What are you offering as an alternative?
Near me it's down to $1.99.
I share your sentiment for the most part. It's just ... I wish (and I know this is only a wish) that people could be motivated by something other than money.
For example, I take the train to work every day. I really only use my car on weekends and even then it's just to the next town or two over to see family or go grocery shopping, etc.
I feel like it's not fair that I, a responsible petrol user, should have to pay these high prices since I'm already being responsible with my petrol use regardless of the price of gas. I feel like I should be able to show my subway pass at the pump and get a discount.
We are fortunate to be located where we can walk to a lot of places, and we try to do so now much more than we used to. Ferrett walks the mile to the grocery store probably 3 times a week, maybe more.
But when snow comes and they don't clear the sidewalks, we will be forced to drive it. Which is a shame.
Personally, I wish that we could find a way to reduce individual consumer consumption without raising prices, because the high prices will impact goods such as groceries as well. But if gas is cheap, people will drive.
i would agree wholeheartedly with you...but I can't.
My job requires me to drive. I work in the social services field and i have to visit families on a frequent basis (ie: once or twice a day every day of the week). While I live in Chicago, a city with an *amazing* public transport system, trains and buses aren't an option to me. So I find myself filling my tank weekly, scouting for the lowest prices (which in Chicago are about $2.50/gallon). When the prices were over $3 it was a pain in my pocketbook, but even worse pain knowing there was nothing I could do about it if I wanted to keep my job.
Yeah, and it's unfortunate and unfair for people like you. I totally agree with that. I wish that the better alternatives could be purchased at a price other than your pocketbook.
2005-11-09 04:51 pm (UTC)
"Hey, I have an idea. Let's screw the poor to make a point!"
if you disagree with her you can just say it without being sarcastic...being rude, and anonymous, doesn't do much for your stance.
I'm also thinking about poorer people in cities with no great public transport. Under your scheme, you're glad that they can't afford food or clothes or other necessities so that the gas price rises high enough so that upper-middle class people with SUVs have to start thinking about their consumption.
By the time the price rises high enough for these folks to notice, many working-class people are already bearing too much of the burden.
So, on second though, I think it's rather classist to be boasting about the rising cost of what is very much a necessity for many of this country's working poor. I think your analysis is kind of bourgeois in it's approach. So long as you, a middle-class, white, urban/suburban person with a decent job is not unduly inconvenienced, then it's a good idea. Seems a narrow persepctive. Kind of like your post the other day about self-selecting communities.
It's never the rich people who pay. It's never the rich people who bear the burden of social change.
Tax the hell out of it and use the money to fund decent affordable public transit.
Move back to transporting goods by rail.
Tax larger vehicles and use the money to subsidize energy-efficient ones.
Because when the oil starts to run out, the poor are going to get screwed anyway.
Although I must admit I personally wince at the price of gas (23 miles one way to my main job, 60 miles one way to my part-time job, and I live in a land more populated by deer and horses than people, ergo no public transportation), I personally agree that we don't pay nearly enough for gas.
I've been overseas a number of times, and even though we moan now about gas costs, even now our prices are less than half of the prices in most other nations. When gas costs money, we think about how we use it. When it's cheap and readily available, we take it for granted.
I applaud you for your selflessness. Fewer gas-guzzlers, and more extremely efficient vehicles, would even make your life easier.
In Australia, we pay more for petrol than you do, but when prices are high, people don't drive less. It doesn't surprise me, because most people do the same maths my Dad did the other day: factor in petrol costs versus public transport prices, and it's *still* cheaper for him and my mother to drive to work and back, and less hassle. It costs $3.90 each way for them - and we live twenty minutes out of the city centre, by train.
Me, I ride to work because I wouldn't want to be coming home by public transport at 10pm, and it's cheaper for me too - but then, my motorcycle gets 30km/litre.
Gas prices are only down so that the oil executives currently under fire before Congress can plead innocent to price gouging on natural gas this winter.
Natural gas and oil are two VERY different products and are not even drilled in the same places. "Oil" companies have nothing to do with natural gas prices. "Energy" companies do that. - Just a clarification.
I used to walk, run and bike my way everywhere when I lived in California - my elementary school was about a five minute walk away, my junior high was a bus ride away and my high school was about a ten minute bike ride - but now that I'm out in Colorado and in college it's become nearly impossible. There's no bus service between my school and my town. I would have to take a clean air shuttle (free) to a FREX stop (upwards of 5 bucks) to get to the light rail station (something like 6 bucks) to get me five highway exits from my school, where I would then have to walk about 10 miles to get to school. On the highway. It's pandemonium. We have the clean air shuttle in town, which is nice, except it doesn't go anywhere near my place of work, and it's either drive or, again, ride a few exits south on the highway at 10pm every night. Not happening.
I wish I could do more, but it's far more expensive and timeconsuming for me to make use of the ridiculous amount of public transportation calamaties here than to drive. The light rail system will supposedly be down to Park Meadows by 2007, so I could in theory take the bus there and then take the light rail to Denver (yay!). Also supposedly, it will be to my town by 2017. If I was planning on still being here, I'd be happy.
I grew up in the bay area with BART. We never drove any significant distances unless it was specifically deemed a roadtrip, haha.
This is precisely the kind of problem that needs solving, but as long as gas is relatively cheap, it ain't gonna happen.
Oh god, I so agree with you.
You don't hear about the hybrid cars or fuel effeciency from the auto companies anymore, now that gas prices are dropping again.
I'm looking at the possibility of moving out of my downtown apartment (I also work downtown so I can walk to work) into something more affordable. I will either take the bus or the train to work, but I will need a car to go to the grocery store. If I do, it will be very fuel effecient.
But yeah, if it's not "hurting" John and Jane American, nothing will change - and that is sad.
When I buy a car, I want a hybrid car.
Right now I couldn't afford one, unfortunately, but hey. People could also take up using two-wheeled transport, motorised and non, because even two-wheeled vehicles with engines use vastly less fuel than cars do.
It tends to bug me when I'm in the midst of heavy traffic and I look at just how many vehicles have exactly one occupant.
I considered switching to biking when I got this new job, as it's only 4.5 miles away from my house. A few minor sticking points:
1. It's almost all hills.
2. There isn't a good way to go that has sidewalks, so I'd have to ride on the road, which is scary.
3. I don't have a bike.
4. My workplace doesn't have facilities for changing and cleaning up(other than bathrooms) and I don't think they provide bike racks either.
The third is easily resolved and I'm sure the first would be ok once I got used to it. I'm not sure how to combat the others. Any ideas?
2005-11-09 05:11 pm (UTC)
You should ALWAYS ride on the road. I ride on the road everywhere I go. It's much safer, actually, once you get used to it.
I don't have changing facilities at work, I just change in the bathroom.
The hills are a bit more daunting!
We Americans are spoiled rotten. Period. I sometimes post at a UK-based message board, and I cringe when I see Americans posting and whining about what we pay for gas. I'm sure people in Europe and the UK have very little sympathy for us, and I don't blame them. *sigh*
They don't have to drive nearly as much, do they? Everything is close together, and the cities have decent transportation that match their schedules, and I dont know if there are a lot of people in suburbs that need to drive to work like we do here.
My husband has a 90 minute commute each way, some days. I think that may be unheard of overseas.
2005-11-09 05:21 pm (UTC)
Yet another "We can't not drive!" comment.
I can not drive (space intentional), and often don't. I walk or ride my bike, or carpool if it involves work. B can't, not really, because he's a freelance lighting tech - part of it is carrying equipment, and part of it is travelling all over the damn place, oftentimes to places that aren't at subway stops.
I can understand the desire for more subway stops (and bus routes and commuter rail things and stuff), but it does take a while, and in the interim, few people think of things like walking or biking as viable transit alternatives. (Especially not 15mi/day! *proud of self*)
2005-11-09 05:28 pm (UTC)
Re: Yet another "We can't not drive!" comment.
* When I get to where I can afford a new car (ha), totally getting a hybrid.
* I sorely want a motorcycle. B has a car so it's not like we won't have a passenger-bearing vehicle, plus it's a lot less expensive gas-wise.