the ending left me cold as well.
I enjoyed the episode for the most part (other than the fact that I had to stay up until 11:30 (which is damn late for someone who gets up at 5:00 AM to go to work)
But like you, it felt a bit cop outish to me...
My thought is that they didn't die in the crash though. Christian said that "everything that happened on the island is real" and that the "time they spent on the island was important"
If they died in the crash rather than on the island, there would be no point in their gathering at the end because they would not have been significant to each other in the few moments before the crash.
No, not the first time. The island all happened the first time. It's the second time, after the nuclear bomb, that they crashed, which is why they didn't remember each other in the Flash Sideways world until they remembered the first version.
My current theory is that those at the church are those who found their redemption on the island/because of the events that transpired. Miles, Richard, Lapidus all got off the island and my assumption is that they found their "goal" or "redemption" or "purpose" afterwards.
I'm also tossing around the theory that Baby!Aaron in purgatory isn't really Aaron, just a construct needed for Kate/Claire/Charlie, and that the real Aaron lived his life, found his purpose elsewhere, etc.
He would have to be a construct, as Claire was pregnant when she died in the post-nuclear version of events. Yes, the real Aaron would have a life, just like Ji.
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A lot of people are saying that they are okay with this ending because they really cared about the characters and not the mysteries and questions. I'm not one of them. Handing out this much plot and then pretending that it didn't really matter is bull. I want my questions answered.
I didn't feel any attachment to any of the characters. Sure, Hurley and Miles were entertaining, but I couldn't have cared less if they all died, if they all found redemption, etc.
I wanted to see them answer more questions. Spending the last half hour in purgatory was a bit of a let down. As was the resolution to the much-hyped ultimate battle of Good vs Evil.
And, being the geek that I am, when the camera was panning across the church showing all of the smiling faces (yay!! we're all dead!!!), I was expecting them to break out into a rousing rendition of Yub Yub.
I was expecting them to break out into a rousing rendition of Yub Yub.
I just don't buy this whole "I just watch it for the characters" thing. Characters can't exist in a void - they need motives, background, things to do and a direction - i.e. plot. These are not separate elements but parts of the same whole - the story.
Now there are many options for storytelling including style and boundaries of continuity (for example: soap opera, sitcom, case based cop). Once you pick those, however, trying to fudge one of the elements is just weak story telling. If one starts claiming it all about the characters, this means you had appealing actors and interesting character types, but for some reason came up short on the actual story.
It's amazing how many long form narratives resort to this cop out.
Y'know Arrested Development ultimately had a more cohesive narrative and it was largely mechanism for character based jokes. But they understood and respected storytelling as well as jokes, and so they did.
Honestly? The biggest lesson from LOST: I should never get invested in an "epic" TV show. Ever.
To me the ending was clever because I've never seen something like that in fiction let alone television. It was a bold move and sorta kinda worked. Although why Michael or Vincent weren't there is sort of bogus.
I think that what happened on the Island was real though. But sadly they never answered any questions about the Island in a convincing way. In fact the episode about Jacob was more harmful than good. You could take that episode out and the series would be the same. The episode had no effect and gave no real insight. We already knew that Jacob was the Evil Locke's jailer. What we don't know is WHY. WHY does fake locke have to stay on the Island, what will happen if he leaves? I thought that evil locke was the biblical beast and Jacob was an angel. The Island as a prison would have worked for me.
The Island as a source of energy would have worked. The Island has to be protected because the energy is deadly and evil people will use it or that the energy somehow maintains things. Really I can't believe that they couldn't have brainstormed something cool.
Oh well this makes me feel confident to write my own comics...
Its sad to see them fumble the ball like that at the end. But it was a good series and the man who played Locke is such a good actor.
You've never seen "they're all dead and this is purgatory" before? People guessed this back in the second season.
Yes, the island is real, but there are two versions, the original and the post-nuclear islands. But the list of unanswered questions goes all the way back to season one.
My problem with it - other than the purgatory thing just pissing me off - is the psychology behind their choices in purgatory. A lot of which you pointed out. Very, huh?
What's this wreckage in the credits business? I think my cable feed missed something.
At the very end, after Jack's eye died and the credits were at the bottom, the camera showed the original wreckage but without any survivors. Your cable feed definitely missed something.
I disagree that saying "and they all ended up dead" means "it didn't matter". We give our own lives meaning, add our own gravity to our lives to give our actions weight. In the end, we ALL "end up dead"; what we do in that time is what defines us.
All of them were struggling with the demons of what they considered to be their wasted lives; the island allowed them to have meaning and die with purpose.
Well, yes, but that's still cheap storytelling, in my opinion.
The ending of 24 was exactly 4,815,162,342 times better than the ending of Lost.
Alas, I never could get into 24. Got through 3/4 of Season 1, watched 3 episodes of Nuclear Bomb Season, and wandered away.
Yeah, I thought it was a moment of brilliance. Because I didn't think they were dead the entire show, just this season because of the nuke.
Turns out I'm a much more clever story-ender than the creators.