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My LOST unifying theory - and the many holes it still creates [May. 24th, 2010|10:24 am]
Zoethe


First of all, let's just clear up the whole "showing the original set over the final credits has nothing to do with the series and is just the crew saying goodbye."

NO. This is really convenient for loads of theories, but it's information that they gave us still within the context of the show. Oceanic 815 blew out of the sky and smashed into the island and there were no survivors.

The question is, in what version of things?

My theory is that everything that happened on the island was real. And that the nuclear bomb explodey bits actually worked to destroy the island and create an alternate universe.

Wherein Oceanic 815 broke up over the island, killing everyone on board and leading them into Flash Sideways purgatory. (First clue to that comes from Rose in episode one of this season - after the big turbulence she tells Jack he can let go now.)

However, the people who were on the island when the bomb went off continued in the now-off-kilter timeline. The heart of the island needed restoration, and it continued to fight for it until it managed to get the plug pulled long enough to kill Smokey and kept Jack together long enough to finish the job of replugging it in (and there was nothing "mother earth and phallus" about that at all, no sirree). And once that job was finished, the two timelines were reunited and the wreckage appeared on the beach and Jack's story was done, so he died, joining everyone else who had already died in the alternate timeline crash, plus whoever else had survived but never really gotten over the island and so when they died they got caught in the Flash Sideways vortex.

We never only briefly saw Rose and Bernard in the flash sideways world (and they seemed to already get that what it was about) because they were still living happily on the island, being left alone and enjoying life, only joining everyone in the "there is no 'now'" gateway to the Great Beyond.

Hurley and Ben lived a long time protecting the island, and upon dying ended up in the Flash Sideways vortex so that Hurley could deal with the money/luck guilt issues and Ben could deal with what he'd done to Danielle and her daughter (and with being a murderous backstabber, but he said sorry, so it's okay).

But there are problems. Michael, Ana Lucia, Ilana, etc.? Uh, who knows? Michael's stuck with the whisperers on the island, according to the actor, but there shouldn't be whisperers on the island now. Ana Lucia appears in Sideways, but is still a jerk there.

Why Jack and Juliet would have married and had an imaginary son, I'm not quite sure.

I can't say whether it says something very sad about Aaron that Claire and Kate have to go back to his being a newborn in order to have it be a happy resolution. Maybe it was just getting back to Charlie. Jin and Sun are happy because they know that little Ji Weon has been born and they can go on. Nevermind that Crazy Dad will be raising her.

What happened in the interim to Kate, Claire, Sawyer, Miles, Lapidus and Richard once they had left the island is a bit of a sticking point. Miles, Lapidus and Richard weren't at the church, though, if I recall correctly, and Miles is the only one we've seen in flash sideways. Haven't quite worked out this part of the theory. Suggestions welcome.

Also, no doggie heaven is sadness. Boo.

All this being said, I am not pleased with the "and they all ended up dead" ending. It felt like a cheap copout and I felt emotionally manipulated. I cried at several of the reunions, but not at the ending, where I was merely outraged.

A lot of people are saying that they are okay with this ending because they really cared about the characters and not the mysteries and questions. I'm not one of them. Handing out this much plot and then pretending that it didn't really matter is bull. I want my questions answered.
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From: wildcelticrose
2010-05-24 02:36 pm (UTC)
the ending left me cold as well.

I enjoyed the episode for the most part (other than the fact that I had to stay up until 11:30 (which is damn late for someone who gets up at 5:00 AM to go to work)

But like you, it felt a bit cop outish to me...

My thought is that they didn't die in the crash though. Christian said that "everything that happened on the island is real" and that the "time they spent on the island was important"

If they died in the crash rather than on the island, there would be no point in their gathering at the end because they would not have been significant to each other in the few moments before the crash.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-05-24 02:40 pm (UTC)
No, not the first time. The island all happened the first time. It's the second time, after the nuclear bomb, that they crashed, which is why they didn't remember each other in the Flash Sideways world until they remembered the first version.
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[User Picture]From: aiela
2010-05-24 02:36 pm (UTC)
My current theory is that those at the church are those who found their redemption on the island/because of the events that transpired. Miles, Richard, Lapidus all got off the island and my assumption is that they found their "goal" or "redemption" or "purpose" afterwards.

I'm also tossing around the theory that Baby!Aaron in purgatory isn't really Aaron, just a construct needed for Kate/Claire/Charlie, and that the real Aaron lived his life, found his purpose elsewhere, etc.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-05-24 02:42 pm (UTC)
He would have to be a construct, as Claire was pregnant when she died in the post-nuclear version of events. Yes, the real Aaron would have a life, just like Ji.
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From: (Anonymous)
2010-05-24 03:00 pm (UTC)
Ritzに3泊くらい。
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From: (Anonymous)
2010-05-24 03:05 pm (UTC)
そうね。Ritzの場合、私はvacationをとって、一緒に宿泊しないとね。
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[User Picture]From: kmg_365
2010-05-24 03:33 pm (UTC)
A lot of people are saying that they are okay with this ending because they really cared about the characters and not the mysteries and questions. I'm not one of them. Handing out this much plot and then pretending that it didn't really matter is bull. I want my questions answered.

This.

I didn't feel any attachment to any of the characters. Sure, Hurley and Miles were entertaining, but I couldn't have cared less if they all died, if they all found redemption, etc.

I wanted to see them answer more questions. Spending the last half hour in purgatory was a bit of a let down. As was the resolution to the much-hyped ultimate battle of Good vs Evil.

And, being the geek that I am, when the camera was panning across the church showing all of the smiling faces (yay!! we're all dead!!!), I was expecting them to break out into a rousing rendition of Yub Yub.

Seriously.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-05-24 03:57 pm (UTC)
I was expecting them to break out into a rousing rendition of Yub Yub.

OMG, LOL!!
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[User Picture]From: fengi
2010-05-24 03:34 pm (UTC)
I just don't buy this whole "I just watch it for the characters" thing. Characters can't exist in a void - they need motives, background, things to do and a direction - i.e. plot. These are not separate elements but parts of the same whole - the story.

Now there are many options for storytelling including style and boundaries of continuity (for example: soap opera, sitcom, case based cop). Once you pick those, however, trying to fudge one of the elements is just weak story telling. If one starts claiming it all about the characters, this means you had appealing actors and interesting character types, but for some reason came up short on the actual story.

It's amazing how many long form narratives resort to this cop out.

Y'know Arrested Development ultimately had a more cohesive narrative and it was largely mechanism for character based jokes. But they understood and respected storytelling as well as jokes, and so they did.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-05-24 03:58 pm (UTC)
Honestly? The biggest lesson from LOST: I should never get invested in an "epic" TV show. Ever.
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[User Picture]From: tormentedartist
2010-05-24 03:51 pm (UTC)
To me the ending was clever because I've never seen something like that in fiction let alone television. It was a bold move and sorta kinda worked. Although why Michael or Vincent weren't there is sort of bogus.

I think that what happened on the Island was real though. But sadly they never answered any questions about the Island in a convincing way. In fact the episode about Jacob was more harmful than good. You could take that episode out and the series would be the same. The episode had no effect and gave no real insight. We already knew that Jacob was the Evil Locke's jailer. What we don't know is WHY. WHY does fake locke have to stay on the Island, what will happen if he leaves? I thought that evil locke was the biblical beast and Jacob was an angel. The Island as a prison would have worked for me.

The Island as a source of energy would have worked. The Island has to be protected because the energy is deadly and evil people will use it or that the energy somehow maintains things. Really I can't believe that they couldn't have brainstormed something cool.

Oh well this makes me feel confident to write my own comics...

Its sad to see them fumble the ball like that at the end. But it was a good series and the man who played Locke is such a good actor.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-05-24 04:04 pm (UTC)
You've never seen "they're all dead and this is purgatory" before? People guessed this back in the second season.

Yes, the island is real, but there are two versions, the original and the post-nuclear islands. But the list of unanswered questions goes all the way back to season one.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-05-24 04:23 pm (UTC)
My problem with it - other than the purgatory thing just pissing me off - is the psychology behind their choices in purgatory. A lot of which you pointed out. Very, huh?
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[User Picture]From: sacramentalist
2010-05-24 04:36 pm (UTC)
What's this wreckage in the credits business? I think my cable feed missed something.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-05-24 04:39 pm (UTC)
At the very end, after Jack's eye died and the credits were at the bottom, the camera showed the original wreckage but without any survivors. Your cable feed definitely missed something.
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[User Picture]From: iscari0t
2010-05-24 06:32 pm (UTC)
I disagree that saying "and they all ended up dead" means "it didn't matter". We give our own lives meaning, add our own gravity to our lives to give our actions weight. In the end, we ALL "end up dead"; what we do in that time is what defines us.

All of them were struggling with the demons of what they considered to be their wasted lives; the island allowed them to have meaning and die with purpose.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-05-24 10:32 pm (UTC)
Well, yes, but that's still cheap storytelling, in my opinion.
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[User Picture]From: bart_calendar
2010-05-25 02:48 pm (UTC)
The ending of 24 was exactly 4,815,162,342 times better than the ending of Lost.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-05-25 03:16 pm (UTC)
Alas, I never could get into 24. Got through 3/4 of Season 1, watched 3 episodes of Nuclear Bomb Season, and wandered away.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-05-26 12:43 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I thought it was a moment of brilliance. Because I didn't think they were dead the entire show, just this season because of the nuke.

Turns out I'm a much more clever story-ender than the creators.
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