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Mosques in Manhattan [Aug. 20th, 2010|01:26 pm]
Zoethe
I know y'all read him, but my sweet baboo really hits it out of the park in his argument for why the Islamic Cultural Center should be allowed to be built in Manhattan.
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[User Picture]From: aiela
2010-08-20 05:34 pm (UTC)
...wait. Your husband has a BLOG?!

(Sorry, I'm feeling silly today.)
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-08-20 06:02 pm (UTC)
It's been a big secret up until now. ;-)
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[User Picture]From: dragonsflame71
2010-08-20 06:04 pm (UTC)
Yes it was so freaking awesome to read this morning, especially after the nonsense I later had to deal with.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-08-20 06:45 pm (UTC)
I'm still president of his fan club.
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[User Picture]From: ba1126
2010-08-20 06:35 pm (UTC)
Excellent! Thanks for pointing it out!
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-08-20 06:50 pm (UTC)
He does good work.
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From: (Anonymous)
2010-08-20 07:15 pm (UTC)
I've been wanting to comment, but so far have nothing better than an AOL "Me, too!"

-Alex
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[User Picture]From: shezan
2010-08-20 07:36 pm (UTC)
No. He's wrong. Allowing an Islamic Center to be built in a building actually damaged by the attack, bearing the name of a conquered Spanish city where the church was razed to build a mosque, sends the powerful message to the extremists AND THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE "STRONG HORSE" that they have won. They don't think in our parameters - the word "tolerance" doesn't even register. They don't care about the personality of New York. They do not define America the way we do. They think in terms of honor and shame, of victory and defeat. This will not only wound the families of the victims, it will ensure more future American victims.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-08-20 08:00 pm (UTC)
And you are framing all of Islam as terrorists. Shame on you.
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[User Picture]From: reynai
2010-08-20 08:21 pm (UTC)
And a large part of me has to answer: So?

If we are forced to second-guess our every public policy decision based on how it will affect how our enemies will view us, then not only have we allowed them to terrorize us (because what is terror but being too afraid to act for fear of the consequences?), but we will also be ineffective because they will just come up with reasons that we hadn't even considered to call their cause a success.
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From: (Anonymous)
2010-08-20 09:19 pm (UTC)
So let me understand correctly: You're saying that we should disallow a private party from developing private property in a particular way, because we believe that foreign extremists might consider doing so to be a victory? How is that not a decision based on public policy?

Manhattan real estate development rules are notoriously labyrinthine, but I'm fairly confident that they don't differentiate as between different religions. So unless you're suggesting that a church or synagogue (or Buddhist temple or or or) would be equally offensive there, you're saying that we should ignore the usual rules in order to forbid a particular development, because someone we dislike might take it to mean anything less forceful than a big "fuck you" from us to them.

Just what about this strikes you as a good idea?

-Alex
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[User Picture]From: theferrett
2010-08-20 09:45 pm (UTC)
Incorrect.

They do not define America the way we do. So then should we define America to the whims of anyone who points a gun at us? Should we abandon the tenets of freedom of religion and freedom of speech just because OMG THEY'RE MEAN PEOPLE?

Fuck. That.

Your way is cowardice. Your way is, essentially, saying, "If they're not going to play nice, we shouldn't either!" Which is the same crappy thought process used to justify American torture.

I've got news for you: being the good guy is not always easy. If you think it is, you radically misunderstand what it means to be the good guy. Will the message be understood by the terrorists? Probably not - but if your thinking is that everything Americans do should be completely fathomed by terrorists, then you have lost.

Meanwhile, our message is clear: we allow others to speak, even when it's offensive. And if we can't practice what we preach, then why in God's name would a terrorist or ANYONE ever bother to do so?

Way to live up to the lowest common denominator. Personally, I'm not afraid. More attacks will come no matter what we do.
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[User Picture]From: roaming
2010-08-21 12:37 am (UTC)
Sure did! I linked to it in my LJ.

This also, along similar lines.
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[User Picture]From: thanoslug
2010-08-23 06:47 pm (UTC)
And meanwhile the only Christian church to actually be destroyed in the 9/11 attack has been denied permission to be rebuilt in the area. But omgomgomgomgomg we have to build this mosque just 4 blocks from an already existing one.

The people who want to build the mosque are perfectly within their rights to build there. It is in exceedingly poor taste but who cares about the feelings of the 9/11 survivors. They were all probably part of the right wing plot to bring the towers down anyway.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-08-23 07:29 pm (UTC)
I didn't hear about a church being denied permission to rebuild. That would be wrong, too.
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