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Mosques in Manhattan [Aug. 20th, 2010|01:26 pm]
Zoethe
I know y'all read him, but my sweet baboo really hits it out of the park in his argument for why the Islamic Cultural Center should be allowed to be built in Manhattan.
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From: (Anonymous)
2010-08-27 12:10 am (UTC)
"'This is a non-answer.'
"What I find amusing here is that you quoted the reason in your declaration that I was refusing to give a reason. The fact that you can state the reason why it is in poor taste without acknowledging it again points up our very different world views."

It appears that I may have been expressing myself poorly. I'll try to be more clear.

First, I was focused more on the "If you can't see why" part of your statement. That's generally a substitute for rational argument:

Person 1: A implies B
Person 2: Why does A imply B?
Person 1: If you can't see why A implies B, there's something wrong with you.

This is a logical fallacy, which I hope is clear from reducing it to its symbolic form. Person 1 is not focusing on the claim being argued for, but rather is focusing on the person. In theory at least, the validity of the ideas should be independent of the persons arguing for and against them.

Second, as illustrated by the symbolic example above, I'm asking why A implies B--that is, why the one thing you're talking about follows from the other. Restating that A implies B is not an answer to my question, it's just restating the thing I am questioning.

Third, for the record, I do take some small offense at the patronizing implicit in your "finding it amusing."

"I am under no obligation to make you understand mine."

Well, I was assuming that you were making a statement in order to communicate an idea. If that is your goal, then you are obligated in the sense that you will fail at your goal if you fail to have the other person understand.

"I can simply state it, which I did, and hope that you can see, which you didn't."

True, but if you do you risk having someone (possibly multiple someones) on the internet continue to believe that you have no valid reason for holding the opinion you do. It's not much of a punishment, but there it is.

[continued]

-Alex
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