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LiveDreamFaceTwitter [Sep. 10th, 2010|10:33 am]
Zoethe
The Dreamwidth exodus is making me sad and cranky and a little panicky. I like how my LJ page looks. I like that I don't have to spend a lot of time trying to figure out who people are, get them friended, remember who they used to be somewhere else. I don't like the idea that comments and conversation is fragmented over two platforms. I don't want to have yet one more place I have to visit to try and keep up with people. As it is, I've pretty much abandoned Twitter as an exercise in ADD frustration.

And, frankly, I find it hard to get to hysterical over the privacy issues. You want privacy? Get off the internet. Write your stuff on paper, then be sure to burn it, because even paper gets found sometimes.

But then I have to remember that I am a bona fide Late Adopter. I was Windows 3.2 when Windows 3.2 was an antique. I have to be dragged, kicking viciously and leaving bloody nail-scratches, to The Next Thing. So maybe it's just me, this desire to throw up my hands and just walk away.

It's all making me extremely grumpy. And I'd just gotten over being grumpy.
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[User Picture]From: sageautumn
2010-09-10 02:39 pm (UTC)
Nope. It's not just you.

Once I find a Thing I Like, I don't want to change.

And even though I do post things that are friends only (and I'm pretty careful about who I friend), I also freely recognize it's only partly private, and there's always a chance/etc.

That said, I've had a hell of a lot more things found on paper than on the internet.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 02:48 pm (UTC)
I rarely post Friends Only, because I know there's a risk of it getting out. People who think that risk won't exist at DW are just kidding themselves.
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[User Picture]From: bart_calendar
2010-09-10 02:39 pm (UTC)
I haven't noticed any lessening of comments or mass exodus on my blog. I think it may be a bit overstated.

But, yeah, I was a late LJ adopter too and don't particularly want privacy.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 02:49 pm (UTC)
I'm noticing fewer entries all around, though not a lessening of comments yet.
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[User Picture]From: darksumomo
2010-09-10 02:40 pm (UTC)
Twitter is good for three things, self promotion, meme spreading, and one liners. Anything else, I can't get to work there.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 02:47 pm (UTC)
And everything comes and goes so fast, I feel like I'm just yelling into a roaring wind. Bleah.
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[User Picture]From: ba1126
2010-09-10 02:41 pm (UTC)
I can relate. I'm techno-phobic. My kids and my hubby have to help me do stuff like imbed photos. Once I know how to get to my LJ, hotmail, Facebook, I don't want anything to change! My cell phone is for emergencies and has no extra gadgets (if it did, I wouldn't know how to use them!). I'm a dinosaur!
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 02:47 pm (UTC)
I'm not quite that bad, but I like the things I like to stay around.
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[User Picture]From: gardenwaltz
2010-09-10 02:42 pm (UTC)
I admit I am being a bit lazy, but I also do not think that moving to Dreamwidth will work. I think that LJ-like platforms have hit their peak and a migration to a different version of the same platform will not change anything. The internet moves and changes and there is little that one piece of flotsom can do about it. I have quit Facebook because their approach to privacy is not just negligent, but malicious. I like twitter, although I can't see the point in location apps.

I think what we are really seeing is the fragmentation of the internet as it grows. Once upon a time there were three big networks and the viewers were unified by their experiences watching them. Of course, they often sucked and access was sharply controlled. With cable (and now youtube), the entry bar is lower, but so is influence.

Things change. One of these days, I'll get off my duff and pick up a Dreamwidth invite, but I think I will put my 'body and soul' blogging somewhere else.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 02:52 pm (UTC)
I liked Compuserve for its conversational and community-building aspects. It's why I like LJ. I have Facebook because my family is there, but I don't have any expectation of privacy there, so I'm fine with that. Twitter is just too huge and impersonal and fragmented for me. Individual blogs on Wordpress and such don't have that community building aspect.

I want my web the way I want it, dammit!!!!
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[User Picture]From: lea724
2010-09-10 02:42 pm (UTC)
And, frankly, I find it hard to get to hysterical over the privacy issues. You want privacy? Get off the internet. Write your stuff on paper, then be sure to burn it, because even paper gets found sometimes.

I agree with this completely. I understand that there are ways to stay semi-private online, but frankly, people need to understand that anything you put out there is fair game, like it or not.
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[User Picture]From: autographedcat
2010-09-10 02:50 pm (UTC)
While I agree with this, I think that there's a social contract between users and social networking sites, which basically states that while I understand that any privacy I think I have is illusory, the site will do its best not to disrupt that illusion to the point I can no longer believe in it.

This is the lubrication that allows us all to actually exist in these communities and actually be some reasonably facsimile of ourselves.
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[User Picture]From: autographedcat
2010-09-10 02:47 pm (UTC)
Don't look at me. I still actively participate in discussion groups on Usenet.

Here's the crux of the matter. People are, in many cases, over-reacting. But that doesn't mean they don't have a valid concern. And Livejournal has a bad habit, whether out of myopic carelessness or active disregard, of introducing new features or policies, and then walking them back when people point out what an awful idea it was. This doesn't lay a strong foundation of trust that they won't do something profoundly stupid next time, and eventually you give up and look for a service that hasn't yet established a reputation for cluelessness.

Personally, I think the whole "crosspost comments to other services" thing is a terrible idea. It's one thing for me to export my own content; that's a good feature, and I do, but to automatically export someone else's strikes me as trouble in waiting. It's not that it's awful in and of itself, but merely that the potential for misuse is high, particularly if you remove all conscious thought from the process.

Personally, I'd love for everyone to be in one place. I don't especially care what that place is, as long as everyone's there. So I share your discontent at the fragmentation, but I will meanwhile establish myself where I need to be to keep my people close, and continue trying to find ways to aggregate all their postings into one place for convenient reading.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 02:56 pm (UTC)
Dreamwidth may collapse under its own success, though, and suddenly find that traffic numbers mean it has to compromise all its high values.

I'll hold down the fort here until y'all get settled.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 02:56 pm (UTC)
Exactly.
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From: wildcelticrose
2010-09-10 02:48 pm (UTC)
I agree with you, you want privacy, don't put it on the internet.

And the whole DW thing cracks me up.

They "procure" LJ's code and make it look like they're doing something new, different and awesome.

I tired it when they first came on the scene and promptly dumped it. I don't want or need another platform.

I have on friend who posts there (for not liking the ads on LJ) but she has her DW syndicated on LJ so I can still read/comment.

I'm not following the herd over there.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 03:00 pm (UTC)
LJ was always open source code. Hence deadjournal and all the other clones that, uh, died.

DW has a passionate group of creators, and has held on for a while, but I still don't like the fragmenting. And for the people who have gone off and started Wordpress or other journals, if they don't feed into LJ, they are lost to me. I like commenting that threads, and that gets sent to my email, so I don't have to spend time trying to remember where I'm having a discussion and chasing it down.

Who has the time???!!!
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[User Picture]From: shezan
2010-09-10 03:14 pm (UTC)
I'm with you - it's the whole slog of a potential migration to DW that annoys me. Do loathe the Facebook culture, mind you.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 03:24 pm (UTC)
I am on Facebook because my kids, mom and family members, and some local friends are there. It's convenient for that.
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[User Picture]From: blessed_oak
2010-09-10 03:30 pm (UTC)
All of this - LJ, facebook, what have you - is just serving to remind me of the beauty of Real Life. Of that which is immediately present to me.

I've met some lovely people online. But I mourn the fact that the internet can serve as much as a barrier as it brings us together.

And I'm going to stop typing "as" now.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 03:32 pm (UTC)
The internet that brought me together with people is the one that is about community connections - first CompuServe and then LJ. The fragmenting is depressing me.
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[User Picture]From: 28bytes
2010-09-10 03:52 pm (UTC)
Give in to the fragmentation! Embrace it! There's nothing wrong with being a polyjournalist.
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 03:54 pm (UTC)
Except, like polyamory, it takes up a lot more of my energy. And I have a limited amount. This isn't where I want to spend it!
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 04:06 pm (UTC)
Well, yes, in the greater scheme of things it really doesn't matter. I feel appropriately dismissed now.
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[User Picture]From: koibito007
2010-09-10 04:14 pm (UTC)
My husband had the same problem with me and my cell phone. What I had worked, I was comfortable with it, and therefor I had no need to (progressively) change. Of course now I have one that's a miniature computer, it surfs the web, checks my emails, and -- now that I have it, I can't live without it.

For many years however, I had a cheap Nokia that I called my "Franken-phone." I could throw it against the wall, watch it bust into a million little pieces, and then reassemble it like an elite soldier reassembles a rifle-- in under two minutes. (It was a very entertaining at parties.) I had several spares for parts that were cast offs of more willingly adaptable people, and so if something actually broke I could just grab something off a spare and fix it.

Eventually I grudgingly upgraded to my Palm phone that I've had for about two or three years now. I've had to fix it twice in the time I've had it, including a complete rebuild we did two months ago with parts we ordered from Hong Kong. Now it looks brand new. Of course, I COULD have just upgraded to a new phone, but to me that would have been more inconvenient. (Yes, MORE inconvenient than mail-ordering spare parts and tools from the other side of the world.)
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 04:19 pm (UTC)
I don't have that kind of attachment to hardware, just software. But I LOVE the idea of a Frankenphone!!!
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[User Picture]From: brujah
2010-09-10 04:15 pm (UTC)
Notleavingcan'tmakeme. *footstomp for emphasis*
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[User Picture]From: zoethe
2010-09-10 04:20 pm (UTC)
YAY!!! [hearts you]
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