But its a hollywood movie designed for the mainstream...of course its going to be dumb.That is why I try and avoid most mainstream stuff because it has dumb built in. I'm sure that the forty year old virgin wasn't that great either.
I wonder if a man or a woman wrote this picture.
Kristen Wiig cowrote it with another woman. Women are often their own worst oppressors.
I don't even see it as being oppressive, I see it as stupidity and lack of imagination. It also shows that these peoples only interaction with life is through TV and the movies.
On the other hand maybe the movie studio told them to change their script and dumb it down.
I totally see it as oppressive. It's much more obvious when women stone other women for not wearing a veil, or women want to deny other women access to abortion and even birth control. But the ways that women keep each other in their designated place are insidious.
I really did want to like it, but there was just no way.
Wow. Your analysis about this movie is so fascinating now I want to see it. I wonder if the people who wrote this movie had any real insight into character development and theme, because it sounds like they failed. It sounds almost like the credo of Seinfeld: "No lessons!" People just continue to wallow in the same counter-productive behavior with absolutely no growth.
>People just continue to wallow in the same counter-productive behavior with
>absolutely no growth.
So it's like real life then?
Yeah, exactly. Which is why Seinfeld actually might have been closer to real life than most of the shows and movies out there.
And probably why I can't stand Seinfeld.
For me, if it hadn't been a comedy, then I would have found their view of life to be too bleak and hence too painful to watch. But since it does give me so many laughs, I can enjoy it.
Yes, but our movies are supposed to be tales in which something other than real life happens. Otherwise, why bother?
I'd be interested in your opinion. Ferrett and I are usually in pretty good accord about movies, but his take is completely different from mine.
I think what's even more damaging is that the credo isn't "no lessons" at all. Instead, they mistake surface changes for real change. It's all painted on the surface like make-up.
Instead, they mistake surface changes for real change.
Jeez, I can't count how many people this describes that I've encountered! Now I have to see this movie.
Wow, now I desperately want to see the movie Ferrett saw, and desperately want to avoid the one you saw.
It does sounds like two different movies, doesn't it?
I agree with all that. AND I winced at the "infamous bathroom scene." Did not think it funny in the least. Were they trying to outgross the guys? They succeeded. (I think. I have never had the slightest urge to see the lost weekend films.)
But I came away with the message that the grass always seems greener, but isn't. (Well, except for Lillian, who hasn't yet had kids that will hate her someday.) I thought it was a message for single women wallowing in their misery that feeling jealous of those other ladies you think have what you want and can't have is a wasted emotion, because really you're all in the same boat. And yes it's sinking. Also, that Not As Handsome as Jon Hamm Good Guys are a better bet. Also that you make your bed (with Jon Hamm) and you have to lie in it.
I can see those as extrapolated messages, but not necessarily ones that most people laughing at barf jokes are going to get.
After reading both your reviews, I've come to two conclusions. 1) I don't want to see this movie, and 2) stereotypical guy behavior is inherently amusing, while stereotypical chick behavior is simply sad and destructive. I guess some people might find it funny to follow a bunch of women making nice-nice while despising each other, but I don't get it.
Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm coming from. I read reviews saying that it did a great job of making girl stuff just as funny, but I didn't find that to be the case.
It sounded awful from Ferrett's review. Definitely not interested now. Maybe I'll go find Steel Magnolias.
Definitely a better look at women interacting. Just rewatched it a few months ago.
Wow, I had a totally different take on this movie. I liked it a lot, and I laughed like crazy at the bathroom scene! True, the female characters were exaggerated stereotypes, but there was some truth behind those stereotypes - some women are like the various characters in the film. And in the end, it seemed to me that they did learn something about how to be a friend.
And I don't think the knight in shining armor was the man- I think it was Meghan!
It's certainly done well at the box office and is very popular. But I'm in the minority unconvinced by it.
Since I finally saw the movie...
My fiancee and I are basically in agreement (at least on not finding it that funny). I'm in agreement on it being...wrong, and kind of uncomfortable.
I guess what it came down to for me was that almost of all of these people were deeply unhappy and completely incapable of dealing with it. The emotional problems they confronted are ones people should learn to handle moderately well by the time they're out of college. And that was presented as OK. I mean, the most adult character in the entire movie was the cop, by a very, very large margin.
These were children, wandering around hurting other people and each other, and no one seemed to be aware they were children. It was just...wrong.
On the other hand, I was very pleased that the fat girl introduced initially in a workshirt and pants did NOT turn out to be a lesbian. So that was refreshing.
Children. Yes. I'm glad to know that I was not the only one who found the movie unfunny. I don't get what other people saw in it.